32: The Importance Of Soul Care For Overwhelmed Moms With Catherine Wilde

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Please join me in welcoming Catherine wild to

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mystical sisterhood this week. This is your host, Maureen

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Spielman. And I sit down with the best selling author of

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reclaiming your inner sparkle to talk about how moms can best

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care for themselves. It's a new generation where we're learning

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to put self care or soul care into place within our lives.

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Because we know when we don't make time for the precious

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commodity that is ourselves, that we really suffer and we

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don't bring our best selves to the table or feel aligned with

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how we're really meant to feel. So, join us in this great

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conversation today and let me know what you think it was a

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pleasure to sit down with Katherine and learn more about

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her business and how she supports overwhelmed moms.

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Thanks for being here, and I'll see you in the episode.

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Hello, and welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is

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your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I'm sitting down with

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Catherine wild of soul care, mom, and Catherine and I were

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lucky enough to meet I'd say, a year and a half ago, when her

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name started coming across my radar, through our shared

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teacher Susie Lulu. And I know that Suzy had you on her radar

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because of the name of what you were doing soul care, mom. But

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the beauty of your work, too. And so I think the reason I love

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having you here, one of them today, Katherine is because self

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care or soul care, or whatever we call it.

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Whatever resonates with people to name it is so utterly

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important in our journey as mothers and as women. I know

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your target audience is mothers who may be overwhelmed,

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overworked, in the weeds, frustrated, whatever it is, we

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can kind of talk about some of those things. But the work is so

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essential. And there's so many mothers out there that don't

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have a lifeline when they're beginning. And they had no

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roadmap as to what the what life would look like, after children.

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And so I consider your work to be just

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so needed in the world. So welcome. Thank you. I'm so so

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happy to be here in chat with you. Yeah, yeah. So I'm so

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curious about the origins of your work and how you first

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stepped into it, or a how you first had the idea to develop

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what you were seeing into your career.

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So I, you know, I have three girls, we

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homeschool and,

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like you were saying, like, I didn't have that lifeline. When

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I started. I didn't, I didn't fully understand what it was

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going to be like, you know, the experience of being a mom. So

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looking at I looked forward to it so much and, but they're

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doing it alone, and the stress and the overwhelm, and all of

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the sleeplessness, all of those things like those hit me really

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hard.

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And I, you know, I get it. Like, as a mom, we do so

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many things. And so many things are asked of us. And we just

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want to be you know, playful and present with our kids. And when

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we're running on empty, it's really hard to do that. And so

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for so long, I felt this deep, like sense of despair, like I

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was convinced that I wasn't measuring up as a mom, you know,

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it seemed like every tantrum or each time I felt short tempered,

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or all those tear filled moments, they were pointing to

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this conclusion that I was defective as a mom, you know,

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and so, I believe that somehow I was just ill equipped for

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motherhood. And I felt really ashamed around that and it

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looked like everyone else like all these other moms were just

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handling it flawlessly. So that was so hard and but I did start

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to notice something. I noticed that each time I did something

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kind for myself, no matter no matter how small it was.

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And I took care of my needs in some way, I felt better. And so

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yeah, so as I started to, like, look for these little pockets,

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and these little places in my day where I could do something

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nice for myself, things changed. And like you were saying, like

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self care is, it's this term that we hear often.

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But it's true importance kind of gets lost. And it's, you know,

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mom life, the responsibilities, all the things. And I had

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convinced myself that taking time for myself was a luxury

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that I couldn't afford, I didn't have time for it, it was

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selfish. But I slowly started to realize that by neglecting

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myself, I was unintentionally depleting the very, you know,

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reservoir of energy, and patience and love, that I needed

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to be the mom that I wanted to be. And it wasn't an instant

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transformation. But it gave me this glimmer of hope. So I

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decided, you know, to embrace self care lien on, you know,

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friends and families and other moms for support, I started

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carving out moments for self care, like meditating, reading,

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you know, just enjoying a cup of tea, pausing, breathing,

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reconnecting with myself in any little way. And as I focused on

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my needs, I found that I was better able to meet my

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children's needs, you know. And I discovered that prioritizing

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myself, helped me to give more generously to those around me

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without feeling depleted, I could be more patient and

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present and loving.

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And not despite my self care, but because of it, you know, and

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so that love and support and self care that I received from

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the people around me, didn't diminish me as a mother, you

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know, that he enhanced everything. And my journey led

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me to help other moms to reconnect with themselves to

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fill their cup so they can really enjoy, you know, this

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precious time that we have with our kids. Oh, yeah. I love that.

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Thank you for sharing all of it. You know, it reminds me to or I,

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the question that comes to me, is this idea of what your needs

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are? And

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do you feel like motherhood allowed you to almost define

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what your needs were better than even before having had kids?

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Because that whole area of what am I what am I needing right now

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can be very gray, and really hard to pinpoint as to what will

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sort of nourish us at more of a soul level. And I think that

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that's a we can also call it self care, but it is soul care,

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because it's nourishing at that soul level. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for

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sure. You know, becoming a mom like you, you're kind of forced

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into it, you know, there's no cap, there's no way out. Really.

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It's kind of like when you I haven't done this myself. But

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you know, when people go on, go abroad to learn a new language,

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they immerse themselves in the language, you have to learn it,

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like you're thrown into this thing. And if you don't learn

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it, you're not gonna, like, know where to get food, you know?

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Yeah. So I think whether it is a lot like that, you kind of get

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thrown into this, and it wakes you up in so many ways. And you

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start to realize, oh, okay, like, this is what I need. And,

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and I think, like, you know, as children or, as babies, you

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know, we start coming into the world, like knowing, like, I

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need, you know, what you need, and you're really connected to

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who you are.

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And then, you know, slowly, we get told, like, Okay, this is

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more important than that, or that, you know, this is what you

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should be doing. And so we start to get disconnected from what it

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is where what we actually need. And we know, we know, deep

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within that. So if you feel like, you know, lost in that

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process and journey of really reconnecting with yourself,

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which is what soul care is, right? Yeah, yeah. And it

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reminds me too, of maybe the roles that maybe we saw growing

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up, or the word martyr just came to me. And just this idea that

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we have to be all things to all people. And a lot of us grew up

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with that, like, needing to be the mother that was emotionally

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present, had like the meals on the table, like had to have

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everything together. And that's kind of a really unrealistic

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expectation, but one we put on ourselves. And add to that, if

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you are a mother juggling a full time job, then and I mean,

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either way, stay at home or out in the field, whatever it is

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bringing humans into this earth. It's it's just it exponential

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eyes is how much we're caring for. So back to your point that

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because of that, it makes perfect sense that we would need

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to care for ourselves in an up leveled way. Yes, yes,

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absolutely. Yeah. And you're right. So we're so blessed in so

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many ways. Like we have the opportunity to work outside the

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home or to start our own business and to have the family

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and you know, yeah, it's almost not set up for us to be in our

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feminine in that

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Well, we're we're just doing all the time, you know, we were

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talking about the feminine before we got started. But yeah,

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it's really this softening into yourself and allowing yourself

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to be more in those moments, you know, to really connect with

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yourself with your kids. And

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it's yeah, it's, it's definitely something that I am on a journey

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of, of just paying more attention to, even as a woman,

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like your cycles and things like that affect what times of month

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that you have more energy to, like, be more in your masculine

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taking the action, you know, versus slowing down and

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really connecting and, yeah, just being it's, yeah. So I

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think that what I just am putting together about your work

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too, is

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this idea of supporting women on their journey for deep self care

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and deep self connection. And then you've got that community

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piece, and I think about the community piece a lot, because

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even what you were talking about when you entered motherhood, and

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then you had these, this experience of putting so much on

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yourself that you weren't good enough. And that I always think

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about how we can be going through similar journeys as the

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woman next to us, yet it can be a really lonely journey. And so

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we know we're not alone, but we feel very alone. And that idea

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that if we can be in conversation with people within

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our, you know, whatever that group is for us,

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and in being vulnerable conversations, that's where

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healing can happen.

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When moms come to you, what is their sort of like, a profile?

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Or is it different stages of

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their experiences of what they're experiencing through

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motherhood?

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Yeah, yeah. Like you were saying, it's really so similar.

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You know, we have like, our kids are different personalities, and

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like different ages. And you know,

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we have, you know, different Yeah, just family dynamics. But

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really, we're all going through something so similar, you know,

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we all feel so alone in it. And there's not often a safe space

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to share with others. Yeah.

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Yeah. And the realness of sometimes what it looks like,

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you know, I can have this intention that I want to have a

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really harmonious home, but then have these moments where things

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are just falling apart, or I'm depleted, and I lose my temper

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or whatever it is, and we're unlike you and I are, we always

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have that conversation about not only soul care, but like this

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whole thing that I call conscious parenting, but we have

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the these ways that we want to be and we have to realize that

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when we're going through it, we're healing

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patterns of the way we were brought up. So I'm saying that

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because I was brought up, definitely more disciplinary,

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kind of seen and not heard. So like, if I'm coming to a child,

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or I think of myself when my kids were little, and they

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wanted to have a voice. I had conflict within me, because it's

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like, I wanted them to have that voice yet. I wasn't given that

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voice. And so how do I foster them having that voice in the

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absence of never having been modeled that?

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Yeah, yeah, that's definitely so true. Like, we're on this, like,

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we're both you know, our children are growing, and we can

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see them, you know, getting bigger and learning things. And,

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but we're growing right along with them. And we're, we're

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becoming aware of the patterns that we have, and whether or not

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we want to keep them, you know, if we want to show up

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differently, and it's so empowering to know, I think,

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even when it comes to your self care and your beliefs around

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what self care is or whether or not you're worthy of it,

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deciding to you know, like, shine a light on that and see,

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like, oh, is this how I want to keep going? Is this helping me?

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And that can create such a powerful shift, just that

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awareness? And then being intentional about Yeah, no,

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that's not what I want for my life. I really want to thrive

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and have this overflowing cup. So I have so much to give, you

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know, yeah, I like that. Because it reminds me of just this idea

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of limiting beliefs and limiting beliefs we have about

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not only our time, and that's real too, but like time or what

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our models were around any kind of self care and then

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the models time Oh, I'm forgetting the third one I was

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gonna say but just like what are the limiting beliefs you

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sometimes see young moms or moms coming in with about self care

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or self care? Oh my gosh, time is a huge one. And it's

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definitely still a journey I am on just re

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shifting my relationship with time you know, we I recently

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rewatched

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Add one of the new Wonder Woman movies and,

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and it's a Wonder Woman, like, you know, she lives in this

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other realm or something, right? And so she sees the watch for

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the first time. And she asks, like, she's like, What do you

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know? What is that? And, and then he explains like, Okay,

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this is what a watch is, this is what you know, time is and

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she just like, okay, so you allow that small thing to tell

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you what to do to dictate your life.

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And it's this thing that we created, right? It's got

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something to pay attention to and get curious about, like,

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what is your relationship with time and time, you know, isn't

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this thing that's good or bad, it's just neutral, and we get to

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decide what we think about it. So we're, you know, we we can

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experience time differently based on, you know, our level of

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presence and connection in the moment with ourselves.

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And you can probably think of like, you know, a time when you

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felt like a minute felt excruciatingly long and another

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in an hour or a day, just,

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you know, they say time flies when you're having fun. So it's

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just really this, you know, perception in this relationship

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that we have with it. So allowing yourself to play with

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the idea of time, your relationship with it, noticing,

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noticing what's different within you, when time appears to flow

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differently, you know,

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and just the idea of past and future their concepts in our

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mind, you know, as humans, we have, we use the concept of time

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to understand our experience and use it to be able to explain

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things or meet up with someone like we're meeting here at this

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time, right? So it's helpful. But truly, we only have this

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moment, the present moment and our experience with this moment.

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Yeah, it makes me that's a that's a good background, I want

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to talk more about that. And it makes me think of how I often

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think about how we have all these things in our society and

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culture to measure us in time can definitely be one of them,

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you know, there can be a scale for our weight, there can be

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test scores for kids, but also this time, and,

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and this idea of not doing enough, in a certain amount of

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time not getting enough done in a day, not accomplishing this

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much in a week is that sort of like another area that you see,

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sometimes people coming in with, like, I've got to do doo doo

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doo, I can already tell that you work on shifts in the way we

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view things. And for your clients, too, but just this idea

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of

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measuring our worth by what we get done. Yeah, yeah, that's,

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yeah, I mean, it's still something I work on, too. You

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know, at the end of the day, if I didn't get done, the things

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that I set out to do, I have to, like, notice what I'm telling

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myself about that and be really gentle and have compassion. And

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I think, because we do live in a society that it does value, you

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know, how much we do and how much we get done. And we were

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talking about masculine and feminine, feminine, that's, it's

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very masculine, like culture that we live in. So

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becoming aware of that, and, and noticing, you know, where you

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can step more into your feminine and just bringing in that level

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of compassion, because it really isn't, you know, our worth is

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inherent, right? Like, we're born absolutely worthy. And so

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not, not letting any of that take, or let you feel like it's

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taking away from your worth, because it can't, and it

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doesn't.

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So yeah, just

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another thing too, is when you know, when we feel like we have

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all of these things to do, it seems super counterintuitive.

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But when we slow down enough to really

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be with ourselves, be with our feelings, and, and allow

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ourselves to experience that. And then from this state of

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connectedness step into what we want to do. Things flow so much

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better, you know, or even if you stopped to do something

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creative, it feels like you're never you know, I should have

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started this task yesterday. I'm never gonna get it done. But

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that pause. And that connection

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really helps you to step into flow, and then things get done

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that you didn't even think you could get done that day, you

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know, that sort of thing. Can Happen are connected. Yeah.

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Yeah. So I'm hearing to that, giving yourself permission to

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sort of rewrite the ways that we've learned whether they were

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from family of origin, whether they're from more of a masculine

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or patriarchal like outer conditioning, that it's this is

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sometimes how I see it is that it's a rewriting and saying,

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like, how do I want it to look and how do I want it to feel?

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And that's sort of what I am hearing you say, which I think

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is super powerful for anybody going on a life's journey, a

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parenting journey, whatever it is, is that if you're also aware

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of the parts that

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don't feel good, that there are things to change within your

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outer environment and, you know, ways to work on your inner

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environment that can create more peace within you.

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Oh, yeah, for sure.

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We're creating these new like, grooves, right? Like it feels,

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you know, a lot of moms struggle with being short tempered with

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their kids or yelling with their kids. And,

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and, you know, they know they want to change, like, we none of

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us want to really, you know, want to be connected with our

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kids. And so it feels so terrible to yell. And even while

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you're yelling, you know, like, Oh, this isn't how I want to do

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it, and I'm still doing it, you know. And so it's this, the work

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that you do outside of those moments of yelling is what helps

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you to create those new grooves, right? Like, you know, if you

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think of like a hilltop, and there's a a dried out riverbed,

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right? If it rains, like that's where the water is going to

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easily flow down. And so what we're doing is we're creating

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our new path or intentional path down the hill. And so it takes

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it takes time, and it takes lots of, you know, compassion and

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grace. And, yeah, I want to talk about how to create that to how

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someone would create that in their life. So starting with,

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sometimes when we have those moments that are more escalated

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or heated, are there ways that you kind of guide someone

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through coming to themselves after those things happen?

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Because we can have a tendency to be so hard on ourselves? So

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Are there words or language or ways you come to yourself when

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you've had a hard moment?

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Yeah. So you know, Susie, Lulu, one of our, our beautiful

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teachers like that, just that compassion for yourself and

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saying to yourself, right, like, wow, that was a hard moment. And

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it's so understandable that, that you're feeling this way,

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right? And not trying to push away that feeling. Because I

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think it's really easy to do, like, you know, we weren't

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really taught to be with our feelings. And you know, when

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that shame comes up, we just want to like, bury it, you know,

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we go find a snack or turn on a screen or whatever it is.

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But, but saying, like, that's okay, like, I see you. And it's

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okay, that you felt that way, you know.

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And then once you're with the emotion, I It's really beautiful

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to be able to look at your thoughts. So you know, whatever

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the situation was, what was it that? Because our thoughts and

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our emotions are very closely linked, you know? And so what

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was the thought that was telling you that, you know, what was it

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that you were telling yourself in that moment that really

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triggered you. And so when you become aware of the thought,

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then you can go back and say, like, okay, if I'm telling

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myself that my child is being defiant, when they refuse to sit

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down at the dinner table, is that helping me to connect with

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my child, and then if it's not, you know, you can create that

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shift, because you do get to decide your thoughts, you know,

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and so much of what we tell ourselves is on repeat every

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day, and so this work is, is really hard, because it takes a

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lot of like slowing down and pausing and seeing what's going

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on underneath the surface. But then you could say, like, okay,

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you know, my child isn't really against me in this moment, they

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must just be having a really big feeling. Or maybe they're not

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feeling connected to me, you know, and that connection piece

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really helps when we're trying to ask our kids to do something,

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you know, so.

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So finding a thought that feels better in your body, and then

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allowing that to be, you know, practicing that thought going

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forward is is helpful in changing the way you show up.

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Yeah, I think that I like your example, to have the dinner

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table. Because even when we have a thought like that, like my

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child's being x, so often, it's not even our thought, it's

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something that was handed down to us. So you're talking about

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awareness and ways to come to yourself compassionately, which

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I think is really

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this idea that

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I never knew I'll speak for myself, I never knew that there

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could be something free,

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accessible in the moment. And useful to have this way of

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coming to myself. You know, I always used to think that any

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sort of soothing you named like going to get a snack or I think

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I would literally like leave the room. And that's how that's also

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a good technique, right? Like giving yourself those moments

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like your own timeout. Your own pause, that's absolutely, but I

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didn't have like compassionate language. And it that's a really

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abstract thing. I feel like when we first say that and this can

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go for anyone listening anywhere, right?

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ate. Like, it could be that you lost it like with a work

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colleague. But these ways of coming back to ourselves which,

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which are sort of re mothering and re parenting, maybe ways of

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softness that we didn't get when we were young. And they can

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serve, because I used to think like, How could that be helpful,

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like, seriously, but it's the willingness and just to

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practice, just just try it, and how I see it, and you can tell

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me how you see it, but I see it as I always looked for someone

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else to witness and see me. But it's super powerful to witness

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my own experience. Because at a soul level, I think, or maybe on

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the human level, I should say, someone's witnessing me and it's

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me. But it's incredibly soothing. And it's like a

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medicine ball. And it makes it to me. I used to think like,

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what and so do your clients like? Are they sometimes like,

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what? Because when I bring up compassion with people, I kind

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of get that response at first, but what's your experience of

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that? I love it. I love like this thing calm. Um, but yeah,

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for sure. Like when we have that compassion for ourselves where

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we, you're like, you're saying, We're re mothering ourselves,

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we're reconnecting with who we are. And what can be more

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powerful than that, and how, like, we we search for happiness

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outside of ourselves. And, and those little things that we do

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that like, give us that little, you know, hit of dopamine, or

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whatever it is, you know, they they are very short lived. And

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so we're always consistently like looking outside of

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ourselves for the next thing, the next thing, you know.

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And so it's that it's that turning inward? And because the

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answer is like, it's, it seems. So yeah. So

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crazy. Maybe even you know that what we've been looking for has

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been right within us all along. And it's just that reconnecting

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that we have to do that can be

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Yeah, it can. It's not always easy to do. And, you know, when

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we've been told that we need to be doing more looking outside of

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us and all these things. So it's this redirection. Yeah. And from

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the work that you do, I know this to be true, but what do you

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see in that? When a woman begins to do that? Self connection,

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soul connection work? What happens on the outside? What

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happens with the relationships with her children? Let's say.

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So that's, I love that you asked that. Because it's, it's our

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inner world really does reflect, you know, our outer world and

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our, the way we move through life, and, yeah, so I mean, as

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soon as they start, because, you know, self care. So carrots,

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we're often pouring from this empty cup, right? We're trying

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to pour from this empty cup. And that's that survival mode. And

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so once you start to put a drop of love or care connection into

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your cup, and you start filling it up, you

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Yeah, you you definitely show up the more, you know, differently,

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because you get out of that survival mode, which is this

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panic, this fight flight, you know,

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that we put ourselves in by not by not acknowledging our needs

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by not prioritizing ourselves. And so when you start to do

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that, you, your nervous system calms down, you know, like you

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just overall, like your body has needs, you have, you know, needs

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on so many levels. And when you take care of them, then you're

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able to show up with more. Yeah, we're just in this more

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connected, calm presence, you know? Yeah. And if we can have

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that compassion for ourselves, then it's more likely that

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that's what we'll turn to when our child is in distress. And we

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can't give something we don't ourselves have. Right? So if you

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don't have compassion for yourself, like it's hard to get

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that. Definitely. How

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how do you advise when someone comes to you and life is so

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busy? How to start to build in moments? Or is it can it be in

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the smallest pockets of the day? Yeah, yes. And that was so eye

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opening to me just

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like one of the things you know, practices that we have is

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placing your hand over your heart and breathe and that's

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just

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it's just so it just acknowledges you you know, as a

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human in your own life and your own experience, like what do I

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need right now?

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So earlier today, I needed a little moment. My my kids were

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eating lunch and then they were gonna do we do quiet time after

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lunch? We homeschool so

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I remember one of the things that that I was like really

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nervous about going into homeschooling was like, Well, I

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get a break in the day that's a lot you know, like to be with

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your kids all day and have everything else that you need to

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do. And so we ended up doing was we kept naptime you know, as

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kids have a bunch of nap time.

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AMS has babies, and then it drops up to one. So that time is

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still our time of the day. And we just call it quiet time. But

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I usually go and play with each kiddo separately.

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We call that special time, like just this connection time where

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they get to kind of lead and like, tell me about what's going

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on or snuggle or whatever it is they want to do. But I needed a

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moment before I did that, like, I could feel myself like, just

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getting a little anxious. And so I literally just stepped

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outside, it's sunny day to day,

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I have my dog out there with me, like, we just I just soaked in

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the sun. And just that moment of being in nature, and taking a

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few deep breaths helped me so so much. But yeah, if you if you're

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feeling really overwhelmed, and life is so busy, I like to think

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of it like, you know, you know, people say like, Oh, my plate is

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full. So, like, I like to think of it as life as this buffet,

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right? We were so blessed with all of these amazing choices

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that we have in life. And so you, you have this plate, and

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you get to decide what you put on it, you know, and you can

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start to pay attention to what you are putting on that plate.

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Like if if you're spending you know, 45 minutes on social

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media, and afterwards, you're feeling drained? Is that

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something you want to be putting on your plate? Because we really

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do have the time? You know, we fill it up? Like, there's this

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analogy, have you heard of the glass jar analogy. So like just

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becoming aware of what your values are. And so it's this so

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you imagine this glass jar, and it's it's your life, right?

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This, you get to fill it. And you have three different things

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to fill it with, there's rocks, like river rocks, there's little

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tiny pebbles, and then there's sand. And the rocks are your

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values, they are the things that mean the most to you. Like if

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everything else went away, this is what's most important, right?

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And then there's the the pebbles, which are the things

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that we need to do like we need, we need to function in this

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life, right? So what are my responsibilities, the things

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that I need to get them to make life go smoothly, and then

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there's the stand, it's just the filler, it's everything else.

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And so often we are just we're unintentionally living, so we

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start filling our life up with the sand, and there's no room

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for the rocks. Right? So we're going to start with the rocks.

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We want to start with what, what lights you up in this life? What

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is it that you know, is the most important to you and start by

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filling your life with that? Yeah, I think that's I love the

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analogy. And so, so, so important. I know that you

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probably have a lot of moms coming to you with younger kids.

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And I think

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that beginning to have those conversations right there

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earlier on in our life, because we're not really taught that we

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get to have a choice in that. And lots of times, we're just

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going on, like the unintentional default. And so I see women like

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15 years down the line or so. And they're still on the pattern

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of not, they haven't yet figured out, like how to kind of sift

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through all the sand that they've added that is there.

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It's not as necessary. And I can say that for myself, for sure.

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So I love that you're tackling it when you are having the

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discussions, because it's so important, and just defining

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those values. And those can shift over time. I would imagine

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too, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's an ongoing journey, you know? Yeah.

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What do you think about when you talk about those moments of like

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for yourself today, stepping out into the sunshine and needing

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you needed some sort of replenishment, let's say at the

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moment you needed like a moment for Catherine, there is just

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something to that, right, where

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you're recognizing your own need. And so it's not just going

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and just basking in the sun, it could be. But then, like, I

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know, it's kind of what we talked about, whatever, 10

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minutes ago, but just that idea of no take time. Take time, that

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connection to yourself, it can be the hand on the heart, it can

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be just saying, like, I see you checking in with you, how are

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you doing? It's all the things that we will do for another but

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let's start doing them for ourselves. Let's make let's make

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the experience for how we see ourselves really rich and

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dynamic and fun and playful and recognizing of the emotions and

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just just all the things. Yes, yeah. So I mean, I think that

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you said that so beautifully, like self care is this. It's

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becoming your own best friend. You know, it's listening and

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like so, you know, sometimes we emotionally eat. And if you

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think about it, like we're, we're trying like that's it's

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like a numbing of our feelings or it's a distraction from what

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is going on the surface, right? And so it's kind of like if you

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were at lunch with a friend and you just started to put food in

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her mouth like she's trying to, she's having a hard day, you

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know, so we're doing that to ourselves. And so you

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Bringing in that, that, that love that that compassion piece

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for ourselves is so powerful. And like you're saying these

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moments, they every little moment matters. And that's what

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our day is built up. But you know, it's moments, it doesn't

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have to be, you know, an hour and a half at the spa or

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whatever. Although that is so beautiful, too, right? If you

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can get a but yeah, it's moments that fill up, you know, your

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day. And

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like, if you've ever had a leaking faucet, and you put a

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cup under it, and walked away and come back, those little

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drips that are going into that, that top, they filled up that

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cup, you know, so it's the same for us, it seems like it doesn't

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matter, it seems like you know, it's

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just a waste of time. But really, it's it all adds up to

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filling up that cup so that you do have more to give. Yeah, I

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have two things that are coming to mind, I know that I want to

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ask you today about for sure are the boundaries, kind of idea,

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just like a beginning discussion of that. And then

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this idea of scheduling over scheduling of kids today. And

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maybe even if we can touch on technology. But

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how do you think about boundaries, boundaries is

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sometimes kind of like,

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it can feel like a strong word to me. But what's coming to mind

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is like,

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how do we

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know how do we create the time for ourselves for this soul

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care, but also communicate our needs in the midst of our kids

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needs?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so boundaries has been?

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Yeah, definitely something that has

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been a journey really opened my eyes, I used to feel like

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boundaries was, in my mind that I had this picture of this,

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like, hard wall that you were making, you know. And really,

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it's, it's this, everybody, you know, our kids ourselves, we all

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have our own agency, we all have our own choices that we make in

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life. And it's this, we all have different perspectives and life

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experiences. And so really, it's just this way of, of like, like,

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we're talking about values, like, it's just this way of

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allowing yourself to live from an aligned place from your

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values, and live alongside these other people who, who have

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different values and who have different ideas of life. And,

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and that's okay. And this is just how we do it in a way that,

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that allows us to stay really aligned, you know, and, yeah,

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for sure. And I think that it, it does, parenting does test us

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depending on what we saw.

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But that the there's this possibility to, of reforming

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where we came from, and possibly creating new patterns of

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connection and communication with our kids.

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I'm thinking about

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the culture that we live in today. That tells us also, that

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more is more, more is better for our kids, and how it's so easy

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to get caught up in the doing of all the activities. And I don't

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know, how do you kind of talk about that? And is it

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individual, to who comes to you and what they're seeking, but

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also giving permission? That it's not all always necessary?

Unknown: 00:38:22

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, my kids like, that even that's, for

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me that analogy the plate again, because I, like we homeschool.

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And it's so fun. And we are so so blessed to have so many

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different homeschooling groups, we have field trip

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opportunities, we have, like all sorts of really fun things. And

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I get that FOMO you know, and I did that, like people pleasing

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comes in, and I want to, you know, stay connected with this

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group and these moms and that thing, and

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and I also know that that's,

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I don't I don't show up in as my best self when I'm burned out

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when I've said to you No. And when I've said yes to too many

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things. And the same for my kids, like when we don't have

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time to slow down and to sit with each other and just snuggle

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and let them unpack their emotional backpacks, you know?

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It, it's where you know that disconnection starts to happen.

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And you might see the behaviors like whining, or at least that's

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what I see with my kids. Like, if they're asking a lot of

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questions, or if that whiny voice like that higher pitched

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voice comes in. I know that it's not because they're trying to

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make life hard for me. It's because we haven't connected

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they're feeling disconnected. If I'm yeah, if we're saying yes to

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too many things, I don't have as much time to reconnect with my

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for my personality anyway, I

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I crave that quiet time, that alone time to myself as a way to

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recharge and everybody's different in that way, you know?

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But yeah, so for them to like if there's not enough space in our

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day for us to slow down and sit together.

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Yeah, then it makes everything else a lot harder, you know? So

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I try to keep that in mind for both myself and for them. Yeah,

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yeah, it's almost like they're giving you those clues that

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they're becoming dysregulated because of what they need. And

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sometimes they can't say what they need.

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What you were saying before, to reminds me about how, just for

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ourselves, in our experience, this idea of

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being in our own consciousness, and our own inner experience,

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like a place where all emotions are welcome. And so if we're

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angry, if we're sad, if we're frustrated, resentful, happy,

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joyful, you know, all the things that they can, that there's room

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for them to all have a space at the table. And I think it's such

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an important thing, because we're supposed to, we're

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everyone has all those things within them. And then again, if

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we have that allowance in that care and compassion for those

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things within us, it's going to allow us if we don't have if we

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don't have the bandwidth to allow that within ourselves, we

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certainly won't allow it in somebody else. So yeah, that

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that strikes me and then just this idea, like, I never used to

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know, either that sitting and being quiet was actually what I

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needed. And I think it was so foreign to me, I always think

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about, I didn't say it on today's podcast, but my kids are

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20, or 2220, and 18. So older, but when I was a younger mom, I

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was always running like going to target going to the grocery

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store, running, running, running, it felt like errands

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all the time. And for a long time, I wanted to reform those

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patterns. And there's a certain amount of that that's just part

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of your life when you have younger kids, but also, it's so

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critical for our sanity and our our calm and peace to it really

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behooves us to create the quiet and, and the not and, and

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looking at those, like, you know, do I need to go to Costco

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or wherever it is today? Because a lot of times the answer is no.

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Or how can I consolidate that into one trip when I have my

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babysitter or my weekend time. So it's not as crazy as this

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hamster wheel that I definitely was on for a long time.

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In the asking for help piece to it, we feel like we have to do

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it all ourselves. And, you know, maybe your husband works near

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the Costco, you know, and he can pick up the groceries on the

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email. So you can outsource that. Yeah, like letting

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yourself lean on others. And a lot of times people want to help

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us and, you know, we just have to be really clear about what it

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is that would help us.

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And I love that you said about feelings. Like, for the longest

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time, like what I didn't grow up knowing you know, that it was

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okay to feel my feelings or had a really safe space to do that.

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So, um, you know, I didn't allow myself to feel a lot of them,

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and they would get bigger and louder. And yeah. And I, you

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know, as an adult, I've realized, like, it's okay to

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have whatever type of feelings you have, right? Whether they're

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uncomfortable or like, super, like, you know, pleasant.

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Because, well, one thing is the contrast, the contrast between

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the uncomfortable and the pleasant really helps us to know

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what we, you know, you don't know what happiness is, unless

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you felt something that's a little more uncomfortable. So

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leaning into that, that's part of our human experience. And

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then knowing that, you know, when you have that

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uncomfortable feeling, it's letting you know something is

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off for you and helping you to be like, Okay, well what's going

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on for me here, right? And bringing yourself back into that

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place of connection with yourself in alignment with your,

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you know, the life that you want to live. And then if something

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you know, is feeling like, exciting to you like following

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that intuitive nudge and seeing where that leads you, you know.

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So, so beautiful. I love that you brought that up? Yeah, like

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a lot of the conversation today. Because

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I always feel like the more of these messages we can hear. It

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is changing. It's like as what do they call like a sea tide or

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a tidal shift where we're literally changing patterns that

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have been in place for a long, long time of women putting

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themselves to the side for everybody else, and feeling

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depleted and worn out. And the work that you're doing is just

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creating new generations which will benefit our kids. They're

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going to end our grandchildren and everyone and just

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exponentially outside of us.

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I'm going to touch upon just that question because I want to

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hear your thoughts on it. But around technology and just it

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As part of our lives, and even it's seemingly more of our kids

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lives, and how do you from, like a soul care perspective? Like

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how do you view it? And? And live with it? And? Yeah, yeah, I

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don't have, you don't really anything against it because it

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is like, that's something too like resisting, you know, the

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the present and resisting, you know, change and things like

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that make make things a harder struggle for ourselves, right?

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So finding a way to embrace what life is giving you and what the

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present moment has to offer in a way that feels good to you and

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remembering that you can set that boundary and say no.

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And just noticing too, like, Well, how do you feel after you

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after you spent a lot of time with technology? Like, you know,

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and where can you?

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Where can you give yourself breaks there because it can be a

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lot, right? It is this thing that really connects us like, I

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can connect with people all over the world, like family, friends,

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everything. So it brings us together in that way. And then

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it also can be disconnecting, because we could be sitting at

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dinner and looking at our phone or something, right? So and the

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people that are with us or not being connected with so I'm just

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bringing awareness to that. And like you were saying, like, if,

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if you you know, and I do this to like, I mean, I will go check

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my phone, make sure there's no messages or you know, like,

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running my business, all the things like, but being aware of,

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if you're not able to let that set that down and a with

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yourself, like you were saying, creating that moment of

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stillness for yourself. If you if you're having a hard time

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with that, like you notice you're always grabbing something

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or distracting yourself in some way. Asking yourself like, what

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what is it that's uncomfortable for me, like, you know, because

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it's really important for us to be able to be so with ourselves,

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even if you have the more extroverted outgoing

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personality.

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You know, they say, you know, prayer is asking the universe

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for something. And meditation is creating the space, the silence

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for the answers to come through. And, and so if we don't allow

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ourselves, you know, that space to be with ourselves and let the

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answers and let our intuition and let the wisdom come through.

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Yeah, we're missing a really big piece. They're living. Yeah,

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that's such a good point. And

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I'm just thinking, it's like this, we always think about our

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kids and technology, but really thinking about ourselves and

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technology. So important to I was sending a text the other

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day, as I was walking through the park near my house, and

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looking down the whole time. And those are the moments I'm

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noticing that, you know, you gotta we have to be so

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intentional about the way we're using it and putting it away.

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And it just, it never used to be part of our lives. And so

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there's so much to say there now.

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And I know, yeah, go ahead. It's something we have a really

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unique situation, right, as parents in this generation, they

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were really the first ones to have cell phones and things and

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so be really gentle with yourself as you figure that out,

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you know, with your Yeah, your kids. Yeah, and that's such a

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good point. Because I think it's where this work is so valuable

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to because this work is bringing in all of these, like really

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abundant

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ways of being like, setting intentions, living with

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compassion, allowance of emotions, and, and for me, it

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always goes back to like the learning how to communicate on a

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very connected level, because that's not what I grew up with.

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But I love that all these things are part of your work.

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You know, Katherine, as we finish up today, is there

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anything that you want to add for the listener today before

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you tell them where they can find your work?

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I want to say like, I just absolutely love every time I get

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to chat with you, and your work is so beautiful and soul

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nourishing. And yeah, so thank you for all that you do. Yeah,

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of course. And yeah, for anybody listening.

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And if any of this is resonating with you, I think. Give yourself

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lots of grace. Give yourself lots of kindness, you know,

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notice those little moments where you can

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just pause and connect with yourself. And notice what you're

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telling yourself because you are so so incredible. You're so so

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amazing. You're so worthy.

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And if your thoughts aren't lining up with that, like allow

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yourself to just press you know, repeat on this episode and just

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listen again and again and know that you were you're doing

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enough you know, you are enough.

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You're so loved and just lean into if you can't give that to

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yourself yet lean into to this and yeah, start there. So much

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appreciation and acknowledgement of where mothers find themselves

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and then

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Add. There's just so much there for them, including their own

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inner voice, which can be just so loving and supportive. So,

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yeah, thank you so much for doing the work you do. I know

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that listeners can find you it's soul care. mom.com. That's

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correct. Yeah. And then Katherine, I saw that you have a

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book, reclaiming your inner sparkle with companion journal

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as well. Yes, they do. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. So all

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those things can be found on your website and you have a

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community that you run if anyone is interested in that as well.

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If Do you want to say something about that before we leave

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today? It's It's such a beautiful space like the women

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in there are so supportive, so uplifting, so authentic, and

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just it's yeah, if you if you're feeling alone in the motherhood

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journey, definitely join us in there. It's soul care. mom.com

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forward slash village to get your beautiful. Yeah, thank you

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so much for all the work you're doing and being here with us

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today. For the listeners, as always, thanks for tuning in.

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And we'll see you in the next episode.

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