18: The Joys of Magical Mentoring With Heather Hanson

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. Today's

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guest is Heather Hansen head there is an intuitive healer, a

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magical mentor, a creativity junkie and creator owner of the

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creative sage cottage, a healing destination in Union pier

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Michigan. Today, Heather shares with us how she may not have

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come from a fairy tale background or grow up with

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affirming messages, and for many years wore masks of her survival

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self until she hit her own rock bottom, just a few years back,

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and how she cultivated that period of darkness to look

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within and see where pieces of her needed to be tended to from

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her childhood, and she emerged stronger than ever. Heather

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truly is a magical mentor. And you're not gonna want to miss

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this episode. It's filled with so much magic and so much beauty

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that I can't wait for you to listen. So here we go. Hey

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there, welcome to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

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Maureen Spielman. I started the show to highlight the

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in the episode. Welcome back to mystical sisterhood podcast.

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This is Maureen and I'm here today with Heather Hansen. I did

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a longer bio for Heather in the intro. But Heather, I was so

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greatly honored to meet probably about a year and a half ago at

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her creative sage cottage in new buffalo or Michigan that might

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be union pier, actually. But just this beautiful, energetic

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space feel filled with healing arts, and also attend a workshop

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at your farmhouse which was such a beautiful event for me and

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experience. And I guess the way that I'm going to introduce you,

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Heather, is that you are an intuitive a healer I just told

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you, I consider you to be a mystic other kinds of monikers

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that you have gone by our magical mentor, mixed media

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artist, spiritual interpreter, creativity junkie, writer,

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teacher, student, wife, and mother to your rescue pooch. And

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I know our conversation today will probably span a lot of

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different areas that you sort of specialize in. And we had a

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conversation preparing ourselves for today. And in it, I was

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really struck by what you called the unseen worlds and your

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fascination with unseen worlds. And this idea of what if all

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these things in front of us the nature the flowers, the plants,

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these tools we have like the taro or the Hebrew alphabet.

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What if they were these magical just tools waiting for us to use

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them? They were they they've been part of our cultures for

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centuries. And and just the discovery of these tools is like

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wow, these these aren't just made up things that some people

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can access and some people don't have access to. So that was

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really striking to me. And then I'm just gonna say a quote that

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you said yesterday, that I think is really important. And that

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was, we all want to know we are holy, and how are we going to

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support one another? In knowing this? Amen. Right? Yeah. So with

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those, I'll just start, you know, whatever struck you with

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what I just said, or wherever you want to start about

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yourself. I welcome it.

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Oh my goodness. Well, first of all, I'm so

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beyond honored and thrilled and humbled to be a part of this

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because I feel like what you're doing is opening a container for

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people to be able to hear in whatever needs to come through

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this sacred thing that we call life and all these different

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moving parts. You give us a space where we can listen and we

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can listen without can tendency without judgment, we can share

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our experiences and sort of come together as these remarkable

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human beings that we are. So whatever I can contribute to

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this part of the journey, I'm so grateful. So thank you for that.

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I appreciate the opportunity. I think one of the things that is

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the at the forefront of the work that I do and that I hope to

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continue to do for as long as I am here, is this idea that,

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like, what if this is all true? What if all these guideposts and

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signs and little intuitive nagging things that we get and

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these things that show up for us? What if it's all real? What

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if that there really is this divine supreme being who, for

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whatever reason, decided to breathe all of us into

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existence, and now our greatest responsibility, and what I hope

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is our deepest and most profound joy is being able to reflect

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back to God, what he has created through our eyes. So it's a

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Yeah, it's a profound honor to be here in this space on the

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planet at this particular time, just to be in observance and

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celebration of what's happening right now.

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I love the way that you say that. And I, what I

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hear from people over and over and over again, is was what you

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just said to about how we're all this divine representation.

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Like, that's not just, you know, we can look at social media and

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say, like, Oh, they're saying that they're saying that, but

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no, no, no, that's one of those. Those gifts, like, what if what

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if it were true that each one of us was instilled with these

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gifts, this myriad of just this cocktail or alchemy of? Yeah,

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what we're what we're here it is to serve and support? And what

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if it were true?

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Well, and I feel like, you know, not all of us come

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from fairy tale backstories, some of us have really chaotic,

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oftentimes horrific, traumatic. backstories. And what if we're

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able to, instead of sitting in that space of these tragedies

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that were a part of my life? What if I could figure out a way

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to use them as medicine for someone else? What if every

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experience is holy and sacred? And somehow, we get to alchemize

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it and say, How can I use this to help the next person? How can

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I shine a light a little bit brighter for the next person

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that comes along. And so my greatest burden, perhaps can

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become a blessing for you. And that's one of the things, gosh,

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it's kind of become like one of my missions to make sure that

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everybody understands, there's an opportunity here for the

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divine to be a part of all of it, if you choose to see it, if

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you'll receive it, it's not reserved with the idea that you

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have to have a certain degree or you have to have gone through

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the worst of it or nothing at all. It just is. Because you

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were, I believe a prayer on the heart of God before you ever

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took a breath into your humanity. And what are you going

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to do with that knowing how does every single thing change? If no

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matter what your backstory here, backstory is, you're here with

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intention and divine purpose. Now what? Right there's no

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limit?

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No, there's there's no limit and to have

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someone like you and as many of us who can be a reflection for

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the others who need that, at a particular time, it can change

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lives.

Unknown: 00:08:58

Yes, I think that's one of the most remarkable gifts

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that we have is the opportunity to use our voice and use our

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experiences regardless of what that looks like. I in the work

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that I do with one on one mentoring. I have a lot of

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clients that come to me, and they want to heal, they want to

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figure out like how do I put this burden down. But then it's

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so comfortable. We don't even recognize that we're carrying it

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half the time. It's like the sweater that's faded out and

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it's pillowy and but you won't throw it away because you it's

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the first thing that you see in the closet. You don't even give

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it a thought. And I like the idea of shining a light into

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shadows where we might not want to look because we're so afraid

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of what's hiding there. And then realizing that it's not so scary

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when it's framed in divinity. That yes, it was a horrible

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experience. And I'm so sorry that it happened. But what can

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we do with it now? How can we take The backstory and turn it

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into a happily ever after for anybody else that you touch and

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for your own experience. Yeah,

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I love that part of your work. Because just

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bringing up, I really appreciate you bringing up, hey, we don't

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all come from fairy tale backgrounds. And so there's no

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bypassing care of what we've been through. And I think, you

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know, you had sent me a beautiful, long, longer bio, and

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I in the bio, you talk about how you had your own crash and burn

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and kind of, I don't know, I forget what you had called it.

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But that time where it seemed that everything was occurring

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for you, and then you kind of had a awaking up or it sounds

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like a gentle waking up out of that.

Unknown: 00:10:47

Yeah, I feel like, well, most of my childhood on

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into adulthood was chaos. It was just my parents had a very

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unique way of existing in the world. And a lot of it was not

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cookie cutter founded on truth, it was more, they created their

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own kind of reality in a lot of different ways. And so it took a

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really long time to understand that this isn't the way most

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people are raised. I started going to a therapist, because I

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was afraid that I had a warped sense of reality. Because if

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you're the one who's telling the truth, and everybody else has a

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skewed narrative, the collective, even in my own home

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was more like, Well, you're the one that isn't actually being

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honest, we're the ones that are being honest. So it took a long

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time to sort that out. And let be able to listen to my own

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voice and the one that was deeper. And then just when I

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thought I had figured it all out, 2017 came and my marriage

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was blown to smithereens, my younger brother passed away

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after a long battle with cancer, I was hit by a drunk driver. My

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mother was I put her was actually coming home from

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putting her in the hospital with end stage leukemia. And then she

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passed away two weeks later, it was literally in the course of

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2017 into 2018. And I was like, day after day, kind of in this

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emotional, fetal position, like Oh, my God, everything that I

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thought I knew, and everything that was certain for me, doesn't

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exist anymore. What do I do now? Like, where do I go and what

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I've never been comfortable in, like walking into a synagogue or

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going to a girlfriend. Because I had a mother who used to tell

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me, people didn't like me. So I kept everything very close to

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the breast. So eventually, I had to sort of decide like, am I

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gonna move forward? And somehow find my way out of this? Or is

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this the end of the story for me, like, do I just kind of curl

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up into a ball under a desk, start sucking my thumb. And

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that's the end of it. And I decided that there was too much

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at stake. Like there was too much life that I had come

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through for that to be the end of the story. And so here I am.

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And I turned back to the Hebrew alphabet, and taro and God and

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all the tools that I had been accumulating in this amazing

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spiritual toolbox, my whole life without even realizing that at

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some point, they were going to step forward and essentially

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save me. And now I get to use them as medicine for someone

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else. So it was, yeah, it was a crazy time. And I, I think life

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is an ongoing evolution and healing and uncovering and

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releasing, and, but I'm still here. So as long as I'm still

Unknown: 00:13:57

breathing, then I'm still evolving, and it's a really good

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day.

Maureen Spielman: 00:14:01

Yeah, but thank you for sharing, you know,

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that the trajectory of that year and, and the pain of it, and I

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think a lot of people listening are going to relate to that,

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because when rock bottoms come, they sometimes come really big

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and heavy. And then it also strikes me that because I had

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read that you had been a practitioner and a seeker and

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just loved all these different kinds of tools that were out

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there and and it really ancient, you know, modalities. And then

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when you hit that place and you started to turn around is that

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when you began to see it different differently, like wow,

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maybe these even have more meaning that I ever knew they

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and I can kind of see them sitting on your shelves kind of

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waiting for you. Well,

Unknown: 00:14:53

yes, I love that. You just said that because I had

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this book about the Hebrew alphabet this little tiny book.

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And I'd probably had it for 10 years I've been accumulating,

Unknown: 00:15:05

like spiritual knowledge my whole life, I sample from every

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face every back store every background, because I love it so

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much this idea that we all come from these different experiences

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and places religiously spiritually. So there was this

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book and I kid you not. I looked over at this thing, and it

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almost like lit up it was, it was brighter than I had ever

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noticed it to be. So I took it off the shelf. And it was all

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about the mysticism of the Hebrew alphabet, and how these

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letters were actually God's tools to create the entire

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universe and everything in it. Each one of the 22 letters

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represents something in creation. And then it went a

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little further when I realized Hold on a minute, the 22 Major

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Arcana of the Tarot that I've been playing with essentially,

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since I was six years old. This kind of sounds familiar, started

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digging deeper, Kabbalistic wisdom and the sages, it all

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starts overlapping. And each of the 22 majors are assigned a

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Hebrew letter. There's numerology, there's astrology,

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there's herbs, and I just allowed myself to literally

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tumble down this rabbit hole, and was like, Okay, God, I'm

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listening, show me everything, and show me how I'm going to put

Unknown: 00:16:29

this all together. And here I am. It's been quite a journey.

Maureen Spielman: 00:16:36

Yeah, has it ever right? And I feel like you

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were in a higher consciousness. And we're able to see these

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things almost from a mountain top down, and then we're able to

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link them up. But what also comes to mind, to me in this

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conversation, is that the way that society is set up are in

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these different religions. And that, that the certain tools or

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books or you know, ancient teachings are for that religion

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only. But I hear what you're saying is like, oh, you know,

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maybe we can share, maybe there are three lines from one to the

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other. And it was never meant to be only for one group of people

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and other people excluded.

Unknown: 00:17:18

Nope. And that's one of the things that I love the most,

Unknown: 00:17:22

is we it's kind of like what you and I were talking about

Unknown: 00:17:26

yesterday when I said, you and I will both stand in front of the

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Mona Lisa. And we will both see different aspects of that piece

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of artwork. You're going to see one thing, maybe it's the

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colors, I'm going to see something else. Maybe it's a

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twinkle in her eye. And rather than me say, No, Maureen, that's

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not what you should be looking at. What if I looked at it also,

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what if you shared it with me, and all of a sudden, I got to

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experience the Mona Lisa, in a completely different context and

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through someone else's eyes. And I believe this is what God

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intended for us on a spiritual level. He created this unknown

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limited body of humanity, not the same, but entirely

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different. Every single one of us brings something else to this

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story. And what if the way I experience God, I get to share

Unknown: 00:18:22

with you and all of a sudden, you have a different experience

Unknown: 00:18:25

of God? Oh, I didn't really think of it that way. Oh, that

Unknown: 00:18:28

hasn't been my experience up to this point. People are always

Unknown: 00:18:32

surprised when they come to me for intuitive readings. And I

Unknown: 00:18:37

quote scripture from the New Testament. Why do you know the

Unknown: 00:18:40

New Testament? Are you Jewish? Yes, but it's a beautiful part

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of this whole thing. And I love that there are these keys and

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these beautiful lines of what I believe to be divine hope. My

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gosh, if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move a

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mountain, there's no limit to that. Ask and You Shall Receive

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knock and the door will be opened, that I was made in the

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image of the one that made me not if I do things a certain

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way. But as of being because it is it was designed that way. And

Unknown: 00:19:16

far be it for me to get in the way with my interpretation. I

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just want to be able to share and hopefully when you leave my

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presence, you and I are better people for having crossed one

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another's paths. It's pretty simple. I think. It just gets,

Unknown: 00:19:33

you know, humanity. We like to take things and make it more

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complicated. And I think the beautiful thing about God is he

Unknown: 00:19:43

or she made sure there's room for everyone at the table. You

Unknown: 00:19:48

don't have to do anything to be seated there.

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:52

Yeah, and you have this way of, I don't know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:58

the person that's sitting next Do you look at or looking at the

Maureen Spielman: 00:20:01

Mona Lisa with you, that's this beautiful kind of way we're

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meant to relate to one another, there's an energy or a quality,

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you hold a reverence, I feel like for the human being that's

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in front of you, or you're speaking to, it's just a

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different feel. And, and, and one that I'd say is so needed

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right now.

Unknown: 00:20:24

Thank you. You know, I feel like I'm coming from a

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place. I mean, honestly, most of my life, and now I really, I was

Unknown: 00:20:35

recently in Sedona on this private spiritual journey. It

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was a an organization that offers, literally, it was a

Unknown: 00:20:43

private retreat. So your interview, they find out what

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your intentions are. And then you are assigned these different

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teachers, depending on how long you're going to be there. And I

Unknown: 00:20:55

said to the guy, the concierge that interviewed me, this is

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what I do for a living. So give me your best, like I want I can

Unknown: 00:21:03

take it I, I did it over Yom Kippur war, because I wanted to

Unknown: 00:21:07

leave everything in Sedona. And I needed answers to questions

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and I needed to come back, knowing that I was either going

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to go full force into the spiritual journey. Or maybe I

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needed a course correct. So the very first day, they sent me to

Unknown: 00:21:25

this lovely woman, and her name was Danny, the title of my

Unknown: 00:21:31

teaching with her was healing the childhood wound. And I went

Unknown: 00:21:36

into it kind of arrogant. I was like, my god, I've been in

Unknown: 00:21:39

therapy. Like for years, I think I got this. No, this woman, a

Unknown: 00:21:44

lot of the people, the practitioners were also

Unknown: 00:21:47

therapists. So they lent a very interesting perspective. She

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started asking me questions. And the next thing I knew I was

Unknown: 00:21:56

sobbing, because I had this memory of being in third grade.

Unknown: 00:22:01

And I wanted to invite a teacher to come home and have lunch with

Unknown: 00:22:05

us. This was like a thing we did in elementary school. And my mom

Unknown: 00:22:09

said, yeah, she's not going to want to come, she's never liked

Unknown: 00:22:14

you. And you've never been somebody that she's really

Unknown: 00:22:18

wanted in her class to begin with. And I was like, Oh, my

Unknown: 00:22:21

gosh, I had this like lightning bolt moment sitting with this

Unknown: 00:22:26

woman, Denny, when all of a sudden, I realized that my mom

Unknown: 00:22:29

spent most of my life doing this, when I would say I want to

Unknown: 00:22:33

go after this job, my mom would have some weird reason why the

Unknown: 00:22:38

person who was supposed to hire me wasn't going to like me. And

Unknown: 00:22:42

I'm not saying this out of a place of, I don't come from this

Unknown: 00:22:46

as a victim. This is what I believe became one of my

Unknown: 00:22:51

greatest tools. Because I walk through the world very

Unknown: 00:22:56

intentionally, making sure I do whatever I can do so that nobody

Unknown: 00:23:02

ever feels the way I was made to feel. If I had known that God

Unknown: 00:23:08

just loved me, for me, and that I was created with intention.

Unknown: 00:23:12

And I didn't have to be anything more than who I already am. How

Unknown: 00:23:16

would every single thing have been different than and so it's,

Unknown: 00:23:20

it's the number one thing on the top of my, like, how can I serve

Unknown: 00:23:25

is just making I don't care if you're a Christian, a Muslim and

Unknown: 00:23:28

eight I don't does none of that. What matters to me is that you

Unknown: 00:23:32

know that you're here, because you matter, because you mattered

Unknown: 00:23:36

so much that you had to be created, in order for God to be

Unknown: 00:23:42

able to express this most holy aspect of his or herself through

Unknown: 00:23:47

you. There was no other way it could be done. Oh my gosh,

Unknown: 00:23:50

that's like,

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:51

why now what? Yeah. And so in the ceremony

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:56

that you had where this the memory was coming, and you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:59

seeing the patterns of the way your mom came to you, then was

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:03

there a time where then you went back to yourself with this new

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:06

messaging? Or how did she work?

Unknown: 00:24:09

Yeah, that was so I didn't realize at the time, so

Unknown: 00:24:13

that was on Monday, and every modality every teacher

Unknown: 00:24:17

throughout the rest of the week, was intentionally building on

Unknown: 00:24:21

each experience that you had getting to. It was supposed to

Unknown: 00:24:27

not happen till Friday, but on Wednesday evening, I had an

Unknown: 00:24:31

experience with a shamanic breath worker that I thought I

Unknown: 00:24:36

was dead like I it took me weeks after I got home to be able to

Unknown: 00:24:40

even talk about it. Because it was such a profound experience

Unknown: 00:24:44

where I literally I knew for the first time without doubt that I

Unknown: 00:24:51

was that I matter that what it was okay to put everything down

Unknown: 00:24:56

now that I can now free up that space be Because the way I heard

Unknown: 00:25:01

it, in this unbelievable, I was like, I can't even there's not

Unknown: 00:25:06

really words to describe. I just heard this beautiful voice

Unknown: 00:25:10

saying to me, you have been, you've spent your life trying to

Unknown: 00:25:13

intellectualize me. But if you would just get to know me from

Unknown: 00:25:18

your heart, we're already connected. This is already I've

Unknown: 00:25:22

been here the whole time. And it was like, I can set this stuff

Unknown: 00:25:27

down, I can literally set it down. And the next teacher had

Unknown: 00:25:32

me call up an image of myself in third grade, bring it up, what

Unknown: 00:25:36

did I look like, and begin to have a conversation with nine

Unknown: 00:25:40

year old me. And that little version of me has stayed with me

Unknown: 00:25:44

since. But now she's safe. Now she feels like, I want to do

Unknown: 00:25:48

this with you. And so you get to bring that childhood energy,

Unknown: 00:25:52

that innocence that wonder that curiosity. I get to bring it

Unknown: 00:25:57

forward now. And I don't have to keep her at bay where she can

Unknown: 00:26:02

feel protected and sort of out of frame. So yeah, Sedona

Unknown: 00:26:07

changed my life like I can't, there's no way to be the same

Unknown: 00:26:09

after that.

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:11

I know, I had read it when you said you went

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:13

through everything, you know, five years ago, that the one of

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:17

the lines, you said something like I learned to take all the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:20

masks off. And you know, through your healing workout in Sedona,

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:24

you can see that. I think taking the masks off, it's all a

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:28

process with which being patient with ourselves and calling in

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:33

what we need are picking up that book we need to read at a

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:36

certain time. But then down the line. I love that it came to you

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:41

altogether within a week. And then you were it feels like you

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:45

really became freed you really became liberated, you really

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:48

became just your true self and ready to shine ready to share

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:54

from your essence. And then that's the gift that you give

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:57

back to your clients now. Oh, I

Unknown: 00:26:59

pray that's true. Because I feel like I tell

Unknown: 00:27:02

everybody, we're onions. We're like these human onions. And

Unknown: 00:27:06

just when you think you understand everything, oh,

Unknown: 00:27:09

there's another layer to me. And there's one more and Oh, I

Unknown: 00:27:13

totally forgot that happen. And only in hindsight, can we look

Unknown: 00:27:18

back and see this complete picture. But the the gift of it

Unknown: 00:27:22

all is not using that as a weapon or a shield, but instead

Unknown: 00:27:28

carrying it forward and alkalizing all of that into the

Unknown: 00:27:32

barrel? The very best of what's on the horizon now, like, what

Unknown: 00:27:36

can I do with this? Now, I've been given all of this. And I do

Unknown: 00:27:40

believe even the worst of it, it depending on how we choose to

Unknown: 00:27:45

frame it going forward can become a gift. But it's a

Unknown: 00:27:49

choice. Just like we wake up every day and we decide, how am

Unknown: 00:27:54

I going to experience the day, there could be 20 people that

Unknown: 00:27:58

come at you with their own stuff? Do you let it stick? Do

Unknown: 00:28:02

you alchemize it into something good to give back to them? What

Unknown: 00:28:06

is it? What how do you utilize that? And so I think when we

Unknown: 00:28:11

live our lives from this space of a holy intention, and make no

Unknown: 00:28:15

mistake that it's like an emotional chacha, we take a few

Unknown: 00:28:19

steps forward and always back. But as long as we're moving with

Unknown: 00:28:22

awareness, we're moving in the right direction. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:28

And you said to that you came back from that

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:31

retreat? Seeing yourself, I don't know, translator a

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:36

translator came out of that one. But you also said wounded

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:39

healer. And after we spoke yesterday, I was speaking to a

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:43

friend and I was so excited. And I said that, you know you had

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:46

used that term wounded healer, which I've heard before, too.

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:49

Would you explain that a little bit to the listeners to what

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:53

what you mean by that?

Unknown: 00:28:55

Um, I think and I hope this doesn't sound arrogant when

Unknown: 00:29:00

I mean it with the best of intention. I feel like if we're

Unknown: 00:29:04

going to step into a space of healing, where we want to heal

Unknown: 00:29:09

ourselves and then hopefully use that to heal forward. You can't

Unknown: 00:29:14

gain the depth of understanding from a textbook. It has to have

Unknown: 00:29:19

been lived. This doesn't mean that everybody's lives in order

Unknown: 00:29:22

to do good have to be born out of catastrophe, but a certain

Unknown: 00:29:27

sense of having walked in the shadows to know what the shadow

Unknown: 00:29:32

is because I believe very much that life is about duality. And

Unknown: 00:29:37

we can't know one thing without the other. We can't have a full

Unknown: 00:29:41

appreciation for light until we've been in the dark. So I

Unknown: 00:29:45

feel like you know there's that phrase healer heal thyself.

Unknown: 00:29:51

There was a lot of work to do. I had a lifetime of work that I

Unknown: 00:29:54

have been kind of adds easier not to do it and just be

Unknown: 00:29:59

protected. Add from it, and shove it under a box under the

Unknown: 00:30:03

bed somewhere in a box. And then when you take it out and you

Unknown: 00:30:06

look at it, it's time to fix all of this and start the process of

Unknown: 00:30:12

healing it so that I can draw on my own experiences. And not to

Unknown: 00:30:18

say your experience will be anything like mine. But I have a

Unknown: 00:30:23

certain level of empathy, because I know what it feels to

Unknown: 00:30:26

be broken. I know what it feels like when you literally feel

Unknown: 00:30:30

like there's nothing left to hope. Like, what am I doing

Unknown: 00:30:35

here? Why, where do I find value in the world? And so when people

Unknown: 00:30:40

come to me, and I have a very specific client in mind that

Unknown: 00:30:42

came to me and said, The world is just a horrible place. Why

Unknown: 00:30:48

would I want to be a part of this? And I, the only answer I

Unknown: 00:30:51

could give was like, give it a chance. If you're constantly

Unknown: 00:30:54

looking for devils, you'll always find devils. But if

Unknown: 00:30:58

you're looking for sunshine and light, and the good that's out

Unknown: 00:31:01

there in the world, it's there. Sometimes it has to come from

Unknown: 00:31:05

you. Sometimes that divine spark that was given to you, before

Unknown: 00:31:10

you showed up. That's where you have to dig into. And you have

Unknown: 00:31:14

to release that spark into the ether so that somebody else gets

Unknown: 00:31:18

the benefit of shining from it. So it's very much coming from a

Unknown: 00:31:23

broken place. And then using that to heal forward. Yeah, that

Unknown: 00:31:28

I would say that would be the wounded healer for me.

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:33

I think that giving the permission I love I

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:39

like the advice of its advice or the reflection of give it a

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:43

chance there reminds me of be willing just all you need to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:46

is just a little bit willing. I know yesterday you were talking

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:51

about you said something, it's time to up and everything as we

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:56

know it. And I was wondering, you know if we're a collective,

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:02

if everyone listening in today is leaning in and listening into

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:07

what's being said, you know, how can we all contribute towards

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:12

sort of being part of that recreation of what this was all

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:17

meant to be?

Unknown: 00:32:19

Oh, that's a big one, isn't it? Yeah. Go big or go

Unknown: 00:32:24

home as? Well, I sort of love that. Because don't you have a

Unknown: 00:32:31

choice as to what you're going to contribute to the world? And

Unknown: 00:32:36

if we literally decide, I asked the client last week, what would

Unknown: 00:32:41

happen? If in this moment, just while we're sitting here, forget

Unknown: 00:32:45

about when you leave here. But just in this moment? What if you

Unknown: 00:32:48

decided to believe that you truly are a divine being? What

Unknown: 00:32:53

if you decided to know that? What if all the stuff that

Unknown: 00:32:56

happened up to this point, the context of your family? Forget

Unknown: 00:33:01

about all of it just for a minute, put it on mute, put it

Unknown: 00:33:04

on pause? What happens then what happens when you know, I made in

Unknown: 00:33:09

the image of the one that made me this gets me every time I

Unknown: 00:33:12

tried to talk about it? Because how can your life ever be the

Unknown: 00:33:16

same? How can you not want to tell everybody? It's going to be

Unknown: 00:33:21

okay, you came from the same place? I did. And I'm so sorry

Unknown: 00:33:25

that up to this point. It may not be perfect. But guess what?

Unknown: 00:33:30

We have hope here we have an opportunity to remember who we

Unknown: 00:33:34

are not who my mom told me I was not who whatever judgment or

Unknown: 00:33:41

whatever the who the humanity, that version of the collective

Unknown: 00:33:45

decided. But the voice beneath the voice beneath the voice.

Unknown: 00:33:49

That's the one that's there. When you're sobbing on the floor

Unknown: 00:33:54

in a heap. And you hear that teeny tiny whisper, you're okay,

Unknown: 00:33:59

you're going to be okay, get up, it's going to be okay. That's

Unknown: 00:34:04

the divine. That's where I ultimately come from. That's

Unknown: 00:34:08

where you come from. And if we can start talking about that, if

Unknown: 00:34:12

we can start reminding one another that this is my God,

Unknown: 00:34:16

yes, we all started in the same place. And how can we grow this?

Unknown: 00:34:22

We that's hope on a level we can't even begin to understand

Unknown: 00:34:26

yet. And I think that's the other thing. There's a Hebrew

Unknown: 00:34:30

letter Samak, and its energetic essence is the reminder that you

Unknown: 00:34:38

and I cannot see around corners. So whatever has been up to this

Unknown: 00:34:43

point, there's something bigger at play here. And if we have

Unknown: 00:34:46

enough faith to know that there's a lot happening in the

Unknown: 00:34:51

ether that if it is meant for me is working its way to me. That

Unknown: 00:34:56

takes a lot of burden off of me because I get to just Out of the

Unknown: 00:35:00

way and say yes. And if we all decided to say yes, then what?

Unknown: 00:35:05

Can you even imagine how different it would all be?

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:09

Just the message alone, Heather, to hear

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:13

that and to have the permission to even begin to, to believe

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:20

that I loved what you're saying, too, because I've had a poll

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:23

recently to reflect back to people, all the things they are

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:28

doing, or just that reflection, because I think what you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:32

saying too, is based on what's gone on for us in our lives, we

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:36

we we just develop these stories and these limiting beliefs. But

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:42

so part of what I hear you saying is like advancing the

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:45

humanity, and the collective is seeing it in each other. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:49

reflecting back being the mirror that that we can't always be for

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:54

ourselves, and holding up the light. And I love the Hebrew

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:57

letter and the around the corner and the unknown, and can we let

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:01

go? Can we trust? Can we know that it's all going to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:06

working out in our favor? Well, I

Unknown: 00:36:09

mean, this is an easy, I think that that the big

Unknown: 00:36:12

misperception is like, Oh, I say yes to God, and my divinity. And

Unknown: 00:36:18

now, all the other stuff is just going to miraculously fall away.

Unknown: 00:36:23

I've been committed to doing this work for years, but never

Unknown: 00:36:28

was vocal about it. Because my story has always been, well, who

Unknown: 00:36:34

would I be to talk about this? My mom didn't even like me.

Unknown: 00:36:38

Like, if my own mother didn't like me, how can I possibly help

Unknown: 00:36:42

someone else. And then I realized, my mom was doing the

Unknown: 00:36:46

best that she could with where she came from. And it's these,

Unknown: 00:36:50

we have these generational limitations and understandings,

Unknown: 00:36:55

because we don't know better. And once we do to know better

Unknown: 00:36:59

means we have the opportunity to do better. And so if I decide on

Unknown: 00:37:04

Tuesday, that I'm going to begin to believe a different voice,

Unknown: 00:37:10

there's a lot of possibility there. And if you get to see me

Unknown: 00:37:14

doing that, or I get to see you doing that, and that makes it a

Unknown: 00:37:18

little more okay for me, now, we have a ripple effect happening,

Unknown: 00:37:22

that we don't even understand the limitation. I mean, there's,

Unknown: 00:37:26

it just keeps going at that point. But sometimes we have to

Unknown: 00:37:29

be able to see it in someone else, to know that it's okay to

Unknown: 00:37:32

do that.

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:34

I agree with you completely. And, you know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:37

people might even look at you and say, Oh, this is so easy for

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:40

her, but you are telling us your journey was not always stepping

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:44

into that. This is who I am, these are my gifts, this is how

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:48

I serve. It's been an evolution. But I love how, you know, a

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:52

couple of times today, you've pointed out, you know, no, there

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:55

is healing to be done. And I think that when I, you know, had

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:00

gone through my breast cancer journey, and then down the road,

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:04

when the idea of this podcast came to me, I always had, in my

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:10

experience that these two elements joy and healing could

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:15

co occur. And it's it was when I put the language together for

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:19

the podcast, it was joy and healing could co occur. And then

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:25

within community. And I think it's important what you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:28

saying, because we all have our painful places, and we are all

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:32

you know, we are here for each other to to be here for each

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:36

other to help the healing process how we can and largely

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:39

it's our own to do and, and and then there's the and I also love

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:47

yesterday, I think I don't think I said the words that you said.

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:52

But when you said, if all this is all this beautiful, magical

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:59

tools in front of us. You call it the show and tell. And I just

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:04

thought a lot of what you're tapping into reminds me when you

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:08

talk about the Divinity, and the show and tell it reminds me of

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:12

our childlike nature. It reminds me of how we used to play and be

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:17

in the sandbox and just the delight that we carried as young

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:22

young children, and that we see we witnessed in young children.

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:27

But that is a rediscovery of our inherent essence I believe, too.

Unknown: 00:39:32

It's a choice, because we can layer on. I mean, listen,

Unknown: 00:39:37

being human is tough sometimes. Like there's a lot of stuff that

Unknown: 00:39:41

gets thrown at us that given a choice, we would not have chosen

Unknown: 00:39:45

this for ourselves. So what do we do with it? It's already

Unknown: 00:39:48

here. I can't deny it. That hasn't served me in any way. But

Unknown: 00:39:53

what if the worst of it actually can serve me? What if there's

Unknown: 00:39:58

something good that I can do? Do with it. And oh my god, what

Unknown: 00:40:02

else is out there? Like, where's the rest of the story? If I

Unknown: 00:40:06

shrink myself down, keep my head down and don't look for it. All

Unknown: 00:40:11

that magic that's been tapping that's been trying to get my

Unknown: 00:40:14

attention is like, alright, well, I gave it a shot. I guess

Unknown: 00:40:18

I'm gonna move on down the road to Amy's house. Maybe she's

Unknown: 00:40:21

open. Maybe she's listening. So I feel like Yeah, I mean,

Unknown: 00:40:25

sometimes. Someone said to me, I think I told you this yesterday,

Unknown: 00:40:30

I was having a conversation with someone about God. And I said, I

Unknown: 00:40:35

truly believe at the end of the day, it's all about loving one

Unknown: 00:40:39

another. And this person looked at me and he was like, that is

Unknown: 00:40:43

that's from the mouth of a simpleton. Nobody, nobody talks

Unknown: 00:40:47

like that. Nobody actually believes that. And I was like,

Unknown: 00:40:50

Yes, but what if that's true? Why wouldn't it be so much more

Unknown: 00:40:54

exciting to live in that world and to come at life from that

Unknown: 00:40:58

experience? Because little kids, they bring like a certain energy

Unknown: 00:41:04

to things until we tell them not to, until we say like, no,

Unknown: 00:41:09

Johnny, that isn't how it's supposed to be, you shouldn't be

Unknown: 00:41:11

that joyful, contain yourself. And I feel like, it's so

Unknown: 00:41:16

interesting to me, because we start out like that. We go

Unknown: 00:41:20

through this grown up s aspect of ourselves, and then we become

Unknown: 00:41:25

older. And in our later years, we get back to that place. A lot

Unknown: 00:41:30

of times, they lose their inhibitions with age, because at

Unknown: 00:41:34

a certain point, you say to yourself, What have I been

Unknown: 00:41:37

waiting for? Like, why have I been keeping all of this joy in

Unknown: 00:41:43

a box? There's only so much time, I may as well enjoy it

Unknown: 00:41:47

now. So it's Yeah, meaning from a play. You know, when people

Unknown: 00:41:51

come to me, I create a lot of personal rituals for people to

Unknown: 00:41:58

just draw their attention to the present while they're setting an

Unknown: 00:42:02

intention, and a lot of times people will ask, like, what kind

Unknown: 00:42:05

of candleholders should I use. Now I always tell people to go

Unknown: 00:42:09

to a park, where a lot of children play and collect the

Unknown: 00:42:13

gravel or the dirt from around the swing, set the slide the

Unknown: 00:42:17

playground and anchor your candle in that. Because that

Unknown: 00:42:21

energy, that's pure joy. That's what it looked like when we were

Unknown: 00:42:26

kids before the world said it's not supposed to be that way. So

Unknown: 00:42:30

every time you look at that dirt, it's just some gravel, but

Unknown: 00:42:33

it's charged with this beautiful innocence that laughs when the

Unknown: 00:42:39

craziest things happen and doesn't care. It's just innate

Unknown: 00:42:43

joy. And that's what it should be.

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:46

And I feel like that's what you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:48

delivering to because if we if we talk about the creative sage

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:53

cottage, which you opened I've been there and when I walked in

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:02

it's it's it's got a little bit of something for everyone and

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:05

you feel like a kid in a candy shop. Because it's it's so so

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:11

magical and everything that you're describing today and the

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:15

different things that you turn to to assist your clients and

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:19

yourself. It's like this potpourri. And that's the way I

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:23

see that the cottage as well because someone can walk into it

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:27

and pick and choose pick up a journal and say like is okay oh,

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:31

is this one for me? Do I like the color? Okay, I'm gonna put

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:33

that back. I'm gonna go over here. Oh, she's got crystals

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:35

over here. So just talk about that create the creative sage

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:39

cottage. And how did that come to be? And it's just such a

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:44

magical place. And I know a lot of people are going to visit and

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:47

get joy from it. Thank you.

Unknown: 00:43:49

It's like a buy bubble. I always tell people, you know,

Unknown: 00:43:53

I've been doing this for a while and I had this little tiny

Unknown: 00:43:55

cottage that we had built next door. I'm super lucky because I

Unknown: 00:43:59

live on a piece of land we purchased that zoned commercial

Unknown: 00:44:03

residential. So this is literally in my backyard. And

Unknown: 00:44:08

when I started out, I just I mean, I've been I was afraid to

Unknown: 00:44:11

say like, Oh, I do tarot readings. And I'm an intuitive

Unknown: 00:44:15

but I'm not a fortune teller. I want to share my understanding

Unknown: 00:44:19

of God with you. And I didn't want to sound like everything

Unknown: 00:44:23

I've done. I've always, like held everything back. But then I

Unknown: 00:44:27

sort of started putting it out there like, this isn't for you

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to have a winning lottery ticket. This is not for me to

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wave a magic wand and change anything for you. This is for me

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to offer awareness. And people started showing up at this teeny

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tiny little cottage. And you would I'd have to like open the

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doors and bring chairs and these beautiful conversations would

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happen. And I my husband, thankfully is immensely

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supportive and was like yeah, we have this isn't going to work.

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We're going to need Need something else. So we decided

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that I would have a bigger space, we would basically like,

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I think we tripled it. Because I do new moon and full moon

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workshops. And it's about community, and it's about sacred

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community. And I have a waiting list people like wanted to be a

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part of a conversation and community. And to be honest with

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you, I had this, I'll call it a download, or during a

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meditation, where I heard a voice very clearly saying to me,

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I'm gonna go there, I'm gonna give you all the tools, I'm

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going to make sure you have everything you need to show them

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the tools, and then get out of the way. Eventually, everybody

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will find their way to God, I hope and their version of the of

Unknown: 00:45:53

God, I feel like my job is to say there isn't a right or wrong

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way to get there. You could try this, you could go to church,

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you could go to synagogue, whatever feels right for you,

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wherever you feel most comfortable in relationship with

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God, go there. These are the things that I feel good sharing

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with you do, I think that I'm going to hand you a piece of

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Rose Quartz, and you're going to fall madly in love with

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yourself. No. But I pray that when you hold that piece of Rose

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Quartz, you remember what it means. And when you remember

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that it's about unconditional love. It triggers you to start

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thinking that way about yourself. So I feel like a lot

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of it is I call them for better for lack of a better word like

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holy props, because they really are. You know, I'm known for

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these Mojo bags and intention candles that I create. But I'm

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not doing anything other than putting things together that are

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in direct spiritual and energetic alignment with

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whatever your intention is for yourself. So I just create a

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space for it. And then I hope to open a dialogue about it. What

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you do is that when you leave, that's completely up to you. And

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that's between you and God. I don't believe there's a right or

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wrong way of taking that journey. I believe the most

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important thing is that you say yes to the journey. Because that

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to me is like there's nothing better.

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:25

Oh, I think anyone's stepping into the place

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:27

and you call them the Mojo bag. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's an

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:33

invitation. It's I can see though, that when people come

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:38

in, they're ready. They're ready to go. They're ready for the

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conversation there. People are hungry were we talked about

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briefly yesterday that most of us have been conditioned to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:47

brought up in the doing doing doing and we're all

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deprogramming from that, I believe COVID. You know, COVID

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:55

handed us that lesson. And some of us may have gone back. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:58

even if we went back to the previous doing, we're still

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:01

being called to deprogram that and I think we know it.

Unknown: 00:48:04

So awareness. Absolutely. And thank God for

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that. I mean, truly, I mean, I COVID was horrible. And so much

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of what happened during that time was just catastrophic on a

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million different levels. But it shattered a sort of sacred

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vessel and scattered light everywhere again, and we came

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back to our families, we came back to a place of quiet, we

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came back to a place of understanding what it feels like

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when we cannot be with community. So we figured out

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ways to create community, even if we weren't sharing physical

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space together. So yeah, it was awful on a million levels. But

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then there was the, it's the beginning of something. And

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sometimes the pendulum has to go to the worst place so that it

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can swing back again. That's that duality. One of the things

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that I love more than anything is the new moon. Because going

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back to Biblical times, way back in the Old Testament, it was

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essentially given as a god gave it as a New Moon is like a gift

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for women. It's a moment for you to press pause on everything,

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and be in this place of faith, that even though we can't see

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the moon, it's there. And it's this opportunity to come

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together and be still for a moment. Check in on our lives on

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one another on what the energy of the season is on what the the

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energy of the calendar day feels like. And try to get ourselves

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in soul alignment with that. And I feel like that's the that's

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the pendulum swinging back to that place of awareness. Because

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we know we know that we can't keep running around like maniacs

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at some point. We're all going to crash. Yeah. And so if it's

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just one day and minds that you decide, today's the day I'm

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going to be quiet. That starts something that's a seed for

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something. And it's a pretty amazing place to begin.

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:11

And when we're recording this today, are we on

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:15

the eve of a new moon? Full moon, full moon, full moon.

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:19

Yeah,

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we're like tonight into tomorrow night is the full moon.

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And so this is the other part of this. So if the New Moon is all

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about faith, and setting an intention for what we would like

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to draw forward for the next 30 days, whatever your timeframe

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is, the beauty of the full moon is full illumination, we get to

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check in that light, that beautiful divine energy of the

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moon, lights up all the corners where the shadows live. And we

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get to ask ourselves, okay, how am I doing? As far as this

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intention? I said, How do I feel about this? Do I need to tweak

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anything, Are things going well, is there something that is in

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the way that I can release in order to hold space for this new

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intention that I've created for myself, so most of the time,

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when we do workshops on the full moon at the cottage, I don't

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know, if we did this, when I was with you, where we write down

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what we would like to release, we then set it on fire and allow

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it to go up into the smoke. But I don't like anything to be left

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open ended. So we then take those ashes, and we mix them

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with roses, and lavender and salt, and all sorts of energetic

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organics. And now wildflowers, and we sprinkle them with the

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idea that something that was a burden yesterday now becomes a

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blessing. And it's sort of a seed now, we alchemize something

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that felt negative, and we make it into something potentially

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really positive. And now we have this new space, where something

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else good can move in with intention,

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:07

you beautiful ritual I, I can and to be able

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:11

to have access to that through nature, you know, once monthly

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:16

for each of those events, it's, it's, it's right there for us. I

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:20

really love and appreciate sort of, as we're wrapping up here,

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:24

just the way that you approach life. And really, when you talk

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:30

about the shadow, because I was thinking of you and holding even

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:33

the light in the dark, you know, even when you talked about

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:37

COVID, and you said that, it was really hard times it's, I love

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:41

that you can name that and not have to bypass the reality of

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:46

what that was or how that affected people's lives deeply,

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:49

not always for the better. And in to be able to name it and

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:54

just be with it. And just, it kind of it's got an ease about

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:58

it. And a real grounding for sure. But just an honoring of I

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:04

think what I'm tapping into is honoring of each of our

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:08

experiences than we and to do that for another is such a big

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:12

gift.

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It's sacred work. I believe it's 100% sacred work. I

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always tell people, you know, kids, when they come to your

Unknown: 00:53:22

room in the middle of the night, because there's a monster under

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their beds, there's some dark, shadowy thing that's terrifying

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to them. And then we go into their bedroom, and we turn the

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light on, and we show them under the bed that there's nothing

Unknown: 00:53:36

there to be afraid of. It's just a shadow. Yeah, I feel like this

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is how if we choose to exist in the world, it could be really

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bad, it could be a horrible, terrifying thing. But we still

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have to look at it, we still have to be able to acknowledge

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that it exists. Because if we are not willing to shine a light

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on it, it never has an opportunity to heal. Some seeds

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grow in the dark, but ultimately, they need light to

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thrive. You know, the lotus flower, which is like one of my

Unknown: 00:54:07

sacred symbols, she starts out in the mud. I mean, it's the

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very worst conditions for her to begin. And yet she knows if she

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keeps climbing, there's light to be found there. But we have to

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have the experience we can't do not pass go do not collect 200

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at like you have to be able to walk through this because every

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part of this process is for you. And if we decide to know that

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this whole experience is here for us, we get to look at it

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through a different lens. And even if it's scary, something

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good potentially could come out of this. And what if that's

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true. Now what do we do?

Maureen Spielman: 00:54:50

Oh, that's a great it's a great way to just

Maureen Spielman: 00:54:54

circle back around and and finish today. You've left the

Maureen Spielman: 00:54:58

audience with alimony, beautiful things to think about things to

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:04

explore. And I always ask at the end, where can listeners find

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:08

you either online or, you know, physically if they venture up

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:13

into your area? Or any workshops that you have coming up?

Unknown: 00:55:17

Yeah. So every month, I'm in Union pier Michigan, this

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magical little lakeside town in southwest Michigan. And my

Unknown: 00:55:26

cottage is on the property right off Red Arrow highway by the

Unknown: 00:55:31

legendary skips restaurant. You can go online to creative sage

Unknown: 00:55:36

cottage.com and find out all about what's coming Instagram,

Unknown: 00:55:41

Facebook, carrier pigeon, I have a mailing list. It's all like, I

Unknown: 00:55:47

do the best that I can I have to tell you like social media and I

Unknown: 00:55:51

are not, we're not on the greatest terms, because I love

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to communicate like this. So but if information about workshops,

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and magical mentoring is definitely available there. I

Unknown: 00:56:04

also started sending out actual love letters to people. I kept

Unknown: 00:56:10

hearing that I needed to send mail like real snail mail,

Unknown: 00:56:15

because we don't all exist in this computer land. So I put out

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a call like a year ago and just said, Hey, if you're up for

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receiving a love letter, I would love your physical mailing

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address. And I honestly thought like, maybe 510 people. So I'm

Unknown: 00:56:33

over 300 names on this list right now. And while I sit down,

Unknown: 00:56:38

I mean, people don't even realize I'm actually writing you

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these letters. So I pray about it. I asked what name needs to

Unknown: 00:56:47

be like, Who do I need to write the letter to? And then I wait

Unknown: 00:56:51

for the address and the name to light up and sit for a minute

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and I write this hand illustrated, handwritten letter.

Unknown: 00:56:58

Oh, my gosh, and then it goes in the mail. So if you're somebody

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who craves mail, physical addresses or something I'm still

Unknown: 00:57:07

collecting. And the cool thing is I'm getting letters back now.

Unknown: 00:57:11

So I'm, I feel like I'm in day camp again. But I have like pen

Unknown: 00:57:14

pals. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's a good thing. There's many ways

Unknown: 00:57:19

for us to come together. But always here at the cottage. I've

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open hours on Fridays, and Saturdays, and then the new moon

Unknown: 00:57:28

every month, it fills up very quickly, because I tried to keep

Unknown: 00:57:31

it very intimate. But hopefully it will be expanding at some

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point. So I would love to hear from your people and keep

Unknown: 00:57:41

building this beautiful holy community that I know, has just

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beautiful and tremendous and sacred work to do and whatever I

Unknown: 00:57:49

can do to support that. I'm here for all of it. So yeah, thank

Unknown: 00:57:54

you. Good thing. Thank you.

Maureen Spielman: 00:57:55

Yes. Okay, Heather. So thank you to the

Maureen Spielman: 00:57:58

listeners for being here today. And I know that you just are

Maureen Spielman: 00:58:02

walking away with so much. So I'll see you next time. Thank

Maureen Spielman: 00:58:06

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