40: Reclaiming Femininity In Modern Culture With Annmarie Chereso

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Hello and welcome back to mystical

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sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I

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sit down with Anne Marie Teresa. And Marie is a transformational

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coach who started really in mindfulness 10 plus years ago.

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She sees it as a thread that's been part of her life story. I

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met her when I was setting up social emotional programming for

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my local school, and she was on the speaker series. So she

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brings her wisdom and her life experiences to this conversation

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today. She supports parents and teens and women on a journey of

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reclaiming their most authentic selves. And most recently

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working with women who are interested in stepping into a

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long forgotten role of Matriarch in our culture. I think you'll

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find this conversation really fascinating. And I'll see you in

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that episode. As always, thank you for being here. Hey there,

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

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Maureen Spielman. And today I sit down with Anne Marie

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Cerrito. And I'm very, very excited for this conversation.

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And Marie is a transformational life coach. And she has a wealth

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of experience working with children, teens, families,

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schools, communities, around mindfulness, and a lot of

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tangents that come from mindfulness presencing, being

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with ourselves, getting to know ourselves, showing up as

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authentically as we can, I'm just kind of going with the

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spirit of who you are. And Marie, and I'll tell the

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listeners, I first met you what was probably, I guess, 10 years

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ago, plus, maybe even. And I, along with a friend had formed a

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group in our local school called Connect for kids. And it was a

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North Shore alliance that held a speaker series that we were able

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to go to, and I believe that's where we first met. And you were

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in the beginning, I feel like the career that we'll talk about

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today has taken you on a steady path, but one that's had, you

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know, roads that go in different directions to as you discover

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where you're your skill set your expertise, your wisdom, your

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life experiences are needed, and how that's changed and grown for

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you over time. But I'll just say welcome with those few welcoming

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words.

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Thank you so much, gosh, it's crazy to think

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about when I say things, or when I hear you talk about, like,

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over 10 years ago, and like how it almost feels like

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simultaneously a minute ago, and the way that life is happening

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so quickly.

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Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I couldn't agree more

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I can remember that time and the endeavors that we were both

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embarking on that was, was that the beginning of your career?

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And sort of a new line of work for you

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know, that that wasn't it? It was probably those seeds

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were planted probably, well, a decade before that, but I can

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even go back in my, like psyche or my consciousness and find

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them way, way back into my own childhood into the like, you can

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see the seeds, how they've been planted over time and how

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they're gently guiding you in the right direction or a

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direction. I don't even know if I want to call it the right

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direction, but an aligned direction.

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Yeah. So what did that what kind of through

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lines or threads do you see for yourself?

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Like I can remember really odd things like as a

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child being drawn to things like Jim Mastix and I remember having

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a book, it was called calisthenics. And it was like

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this hardcover blue book. And I just remember, like, like,

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feeling like I was that that book was for me, you know, and

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really where that was when I was probably 10 years old or

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something. So I was really, really young. And where that's

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eventually led me is to this yoga path. And then the yoga

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path led me to a meditation path and a meditation path led me to

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consciousness path and a consciousness path led me to a

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spiritual path and spiritual path led me to a mystical path

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and energetic path and all these things that were like, you know,

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lily pads on the, on the pond. So ultimately, I think, if you

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look back on your life, and really trust that it's leading

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you.

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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it reminds me, I think

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I said on an earlier, like an early podcast, but I think of

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what comes to mind for me is when I got off my path, and I

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studied, I started studying nursing when I got to college.

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And that's probably more in alignment with me, but I wasn't

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sure if I wanted to do it, because it meant that I had to

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leave the campus, I was studying to go to the medical school in

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another city. And so I said, Well, I'm not gonna do that. And

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then I went into political science and even worked on

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Capitol Hill for just a little bit. And that wasn't my

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direction. And I sometimes think, like, what was that, but

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maybe it was just for discernment, or to let allow me

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to see if it was for me. And then I came back, and I went

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into speech pathology. So always, it is true that life

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does guide us in keeps on inviting us forward as to what

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our purpose and path is.

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Yeah. And I would say, you know, you and I both have

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young adult kids, and they're navigating this time in life,

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right, like, what's next? And where am I headed? And, you

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know, someone laid out the path for me for 20 some odd years.

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And now here I am at 22 years old, and where do I go? And what

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do I do? And how do I cover up my own path? And, and there is

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this sense, I'm sensing, I sense it in my kids as they've

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navigated these stages, but it's like, what's the right thing to

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do? And I would say, like you taking that quote, unquote,

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diversion is perfect. And everything's perfect. And

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everything is here guiding us, even when we find it

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uncomfortable, or especially when we find it uncomfortable.

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So it's funny, because my daughter just graduated college

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in May. And she's, you know, she's figuring things out. And

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it's really uncomfortable. And someone said, Well, you know,

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what are you doing while she's so uncomfortable? And I, you

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know, I said, I'm wishing for the greatest amount of

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discomfort,

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out hoping for the most possible suffering,

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such that she can really wake herself up to what her soul is

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calling her towards. And I don't know if that is I have no idea

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what

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that is. Exactly. We don't know. And you

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are able, I'm guessing a lot of people would not wish that. But

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you are based on I think your practices I'm projecting or, but

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is that you have the ability to hold space for that discomfort.

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And I think if we kind of today, I want to talk about like, your

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work around parenting, because I think that there's some

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important things to say you have very a bigger family because

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it's a blended family. You said three children of your own and I

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think six national. So you have you have many young adults, you

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are guiding, plus all your training and everything and then

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weave into your current work with women. But yeah, I mean,

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what comes to mind to you when you think about the children

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we're raising today, and some have almost the skill set or

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ways of being that we were being more invited to be in as

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parents? Yeah, yeah.

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I think that's a really great question. I think I've

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spent the last 25 years trying to figure that out and uncover

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that right? Because I don't know about you, but 26 years ago,

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when I first became pregnant with my first child, which is,

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or actually I was about to give birth to my first child. I got

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the books. And I'm like, I'm gonna read about this thing

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called parenting. And I'm going to be the best parent I can be.

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And I'm going to I want the guidebook I got What to Expect

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When You're Expecting and I like highlight it and tagged it and

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book Mark didn't, you know, and I was going to do this parenting

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thing, right? And trying to figure that out for the last

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five years. And, and what I got with like, it's not about

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parenting. It's just about like, How can I step more deeply into

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the most authentic expression of unconditional love, that I can

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be in any given moment in relationship to anyone on the

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planet? Yeah, my kids are really like, my greatest teachers to

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trigger me to wake me up to poke me to prod me to, you know, just

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show me the way Yeah. And so for a long time, my attention and my

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work in the world was around like conscious parenting, how to

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be the best conscious parent almost. And then all of a

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sudden, I got with like, Oh, that's not it at all. That's not

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all we're up to, we're here to do. Like, this isn't about me

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being a particular way. Or it is about me being a particular way.

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It's not me being the perfect parent, so that my kids are a

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particular way it's about Yeah, we being just my most authentic,

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most aligned most alive self, and inviting others into that

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energetic space, so that they too can step into their most

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lighted, you know, aligned, energetic self. So,

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so beautiful. And I think that's a really

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important point, that as the different kind of, you know, I

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was trained in Dr. Shefali is conscious parenting, but it's

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not an end game. It's not a it's not a place of perfection. And

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it's not. Because with that, if we're holding ourselves up to

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this ideal of what that looks like, or what we're creating it

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to look like, can create a lot of shame, too. And I think what

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you're saying is that frickin hard. And their kids are our

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teachers. And they lead us to our inner wisdom. And so when

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you say, the unconditional love for others, I'm guessing that

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that's been also worked for yourself.

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Of course, yeah. Yeah. Like, of course, you know, and

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there's this, this, this thread of motherhood that, as we're

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both entering the, you know, middle stages of life, right? So

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I'm mothering children, or even children, young adult children,

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and then there's your, your aging parents. And then there's

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your relationship to your significant other, if there is

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one. And then there's the friendships and like there's,

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there's a way in which there's this matriarch matriarchal

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energy coming forward, that has been stripped away, in service

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of showing up the way that the collective and the cultural

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norms have had claimed we are to be, and we're forgetting or have

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forgotten, the true power that's within us, as women, as mothers

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as matriarchs, in our family systems. And it's not about

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being perfect. It's about loving perfectly. It's about holding

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boundaries beautifully. It's about really owning your power

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in the most magical and magnificent ways. And that like

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reclaiming that, stepping back into our light, that's the gift.

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That's, that's luscious. Yeah, I love that. And

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then when you were talking about, you know, how we've been

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trained away from it, I find myself going back through the

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decades, like when did that begin? When did that begin, and

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like my mind's going back through the 80s, the 70s. That's

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right. And you just go back and back and back when that like a

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modern culture in a way that maybe it's the industrialized,

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I'm not a specialist in this, but through every passing year

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and decade, cultures just weighed in more and more and

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more. And it's reclaiming. I've had so many conversations

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recently about getting back to what's essential. I mean, when,

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when it's like if I speak for myself, I pick up a lot of books

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that are nonfiction. And I love that and that's beautiful and

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everything, but man do I miss sitting down with a novel? And

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just I come from, you know, sisters, and my mom was a big

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reader and we used it that was just communal for us and we

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would share the titles and we would discuss them. And it was

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simple and it was easy, but you know Just even in that kind of

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shared experience, the giving and the receiving and the, the

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essential essentialism, the simplicity, I love that. And I

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think that there's a real callback for it right now.

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Oh, there has been for so, so long, and culture has

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sort of stripped us away from that. Just think about our

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lifestyle, it's like, wake up, get up, get the kids out the

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door, or wherever you're at your stage in life, it's like Get up,

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get out the door, go, go, go, go come home, you know, make a meal

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workout, do whatever it's like, there's the there's this like

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rushing energy. That's sort of at the root that weaving into

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our lives, there's very little being spaces to just be, and

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were stripped of community, stripped of connection to each

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other. We've been put into a competitive culture where it's

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me against you, rather than a we like, how can we support one

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another? So there's all sorts of ways and, and that's, that

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that's sort of like bleeding into all areas of our culture?

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Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm thinking, while I'm

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thinking of women in us taking the space and the time for

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ourselves, and I'm also thinking of that wisdom we hold as we do

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guide if one is guiding the next generation. And if we are

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rediscovering and remembering ancient kind of tools. Yeah,

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we're always within us, you know, what is there for us to

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kind of cultivate and hand down to this very, very modernized

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generation coming up? Yeah.

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Well, there's, there's one of the things I used to say

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to parents that I work with, and I say to, to everyone I work

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with now is like the real experts actually within so you

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can go buy a million books and read a million books, which

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raise your hand if you've done that, I've done that. And, and

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that wisdom is important. It's important, but it's important to

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the to the importance of that is reading something because it's

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resonating back to a truth within you. So it's reminding

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you a truth it's within you. It's not that no XYZ author know

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some truth that they've now just somehow bestowed upon me, are

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you? It is oh, it's It's waking me up. It's waking my sister's

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waking. Her words are waking up, his words are waking me up. And

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we are here are to wake each other up. Yeah, that's what

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we're here to do. And sometimes that looks like a gentle nudge.

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And sometimes it looks like a pope. And sometimes it looks

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like smack across the face. Whatever, like, love will show

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us the way love will show us how to wake one another how to wake

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ourselves up. If we're willing to trust, trust that path and

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follow.

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Oh, yeah, I love it. Do you see through your

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act of work with people, whether it be through the parenting or

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women now? Do you see things changing? Do you find that

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there's a new opening occurring? Or what are you kind of seeing?

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I I'm seeing Well, it's interesting with the young

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people that I talked to, there's, there's like a if

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you're if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see me but

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like, describe it with words. There's like an angst there's

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like a breaking out, right? Like, something like that.

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There's like, there's like a shell. And it's like the chicken

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inside the shell or something. And it's just trying to crack

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out and there's like, Yeah, whatever, whatever has been

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created isn't quite, it's not fitting me. Yeah, that's what

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I'm seeing happening. You know, and for years, I used to say to

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parents, you know, your kids who are not falling into the

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traditional paradigm, they there's an actually like, we

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have to stop looking at what's wrong with them and start

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looking at what's wrong with us in this culture. Right, like,

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what's going on that this culture is creating so much

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stress, so much anxiety, so much depressant, depression, so much

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resistance from the young people like the young people are here

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to wake us up? Yeah, absolutely. Whatever's going on over there.

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By the way, it's not working. Look, look at what you did.

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Look, it's I

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so agree with you. And I feel like they are

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saying that and it's showing up in their anxiety. It's showing

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up in different mental states emotional, you know, crises

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really. And I think we are kind of, I don't know as parents

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torchbearers, their, their Messengers for it. But I feel

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like I know for myself, it is standing up to the system to

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because we begin, it doesn't mean you have to be an activist

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and have to, you know, crusade like, I think I used to do a

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little bit more trying to change systems. But even individually

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speaking up for what's right with for our children, and I,

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and I don't know from the teacher perspective, if they're

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starting to hear more voices, because I, I'm having more

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conversations from parents who are tuned in and beginning to

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tune in and beginning to be willing to listen to what they

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what their child has to say, which is so incredibly

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important.

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Yeah, I think that listening, like listening,

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deeply listening, with all three centers of your intelligence,

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that thing that women like, are really good at. So we're really,

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really good at listening beyond the words and tuning into the

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energy that's coming forward, all of us can do that, with our

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bodies, and with other beings on the planet, so me that our

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children or significant relationships or anyone in the

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world, like we, we have this great ability to be attuned to

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it all attuned to all of life. Because the center of creation

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lives within us. Right. So we are attuned to that. Yeah. So

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when we, when we're deeply trusting ourselves when we're

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deeply listening to ourselves, and blocking out the noise of

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the culture and and then tuning into what's in right

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relationship. That requires some courage. Because it does mean

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saying no, to this, like whole, like, onslaught of yeses, right?

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Everyone around us is saying one thing, and we're saying, wait a

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minute, that's not quite so right. And I want to do it

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differently. And then you're getting all the pushback of

Unknown: 00:22:18

like, well, no, you can't. And here's why. And so I think it's

Unknown: 00:22:21

really important. So you asked the question, What am I getting

Unknown: 00:22:25

from who I'm talking to these days? I think the women I'm

Unknown: 00:22:28

talking to particularly us who have entered this mid stage of

Unknown: 00:22:32

life, right? We're like, looking back onto the last, you know,

Unknown: 00:22:37

half of our life and looking forward to the next future. And

Unknown: 00:22:41

we can see more clearly, we can sort of see that what's been

Unknown: 00:22:45

happening hasn't necessarily always been of service. And

Unknown: 00:22:51

where I'm headed, I'm not sure the culture is going to take me

Unknown: 00:22:56

there. In so something new has to be created. If we want to

Unknown: 00:23:03

create a new outcome, a different.

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:06

Yeah. Yeah. So beautiful. Such a beautiful

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:09

invitation. Gary, yeah, yeah. And we've been, we've been

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:16

cultured to think that we always need to turn to our mind to find

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:21

out the answers. And what you're saying, I hear you saying it's

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:26

probably a combination, but really moving into the heart

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:28

space and your divine intelligence. And what you know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:32

I was, it went in what you were just sharing to, I was reminded

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:36

of how we began of sitting with someone else's pain. I mean, in

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:41

my training is a lot about sitting with your own emotions.

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:44

And I know when I was looking through just your bullet points

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:47

on your online course of feeling your feelings, you know, it's

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:50

really honoring. I feel like when I was younger, I always

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:54

used to hear Mind Body Spirit. But I was attracted to it. But

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:59

he didn't really have a sense of what it really was. Yeah. And we

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:03

are truly multi dimensional beings we are. And I think we're

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:09

meant to operate from all of these places that we are maybe

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:13

equally

Unknown: 00:24:14

for the mind is not the master. And I would say when I

Unknown: 00:24:18

first started studying mindfulness, I just didn't get

Unknown: 00:24:20

it. I was like, I don't understand what does it be

Unknown: 00:24:24

present? And I'm sitting there and I'm doing it. And I'm doing

Unknown: 00:24:26

it. It took me a few years until I finally got it. And it sort of

Unknown: 00:24:30

takes time, right to unwind the workings of the

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:35

Manas. Yes.

Unknown: 00:24:37

And then it takes a little bit more time to drop in

Unknown: 00:24:41

to the heart.

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:42

Yeah. Yeah. And thanks for sharing that

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:45

though. Anne Marie, the part about that you didn't get it for

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:49

a while because I think it's such an unraveling, to get to

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:54

the space of our emotions and what we're feeling in our body

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:57

and sort of learning the teachings because like You were

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:00

saying like when we pick up all those beautiful nonfiction

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:03

books, they're full of information that touch and light

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:06

and bring that light forward within us. Another thing that

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:10

came to mind when you were speaking in that segment was, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:14

often think that when I read some of those books, whether

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:17

it's Eckhart Tolle or Wayne Dyer, Caroline Meese, whoever it

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:21

is, that they're channeling the information because it seems so

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:26

divine when I'm reading it, yeah, but the we're all

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:28

channeling information all the time. So let's not put ourselves

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:33

as inferior to others, just because that channeling like

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:38

we're perceiving it a certain way. One thing that AI is a

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:43

guiding light for me for the podcast, and I didn't know this,

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:46

and I started inviting people. I think today, I think you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:50

around like the 39th or 40th episode. But what I was

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:56

realizing that we're gurus were amongst us, and that we are all

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:01

gurus and you just said something to that fact like the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:04

the We Are The Creator within. So I mean, let's, for the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:08

audience, let's talk about that. And just that we are all the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:12

Guru's we have the answers we, you know, we can we can bring in

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:16

whatever we need. But we also can be looking within ourselves.

Unknown: 00:26:22

Yeah, I think that's the most important lesson I

Unknown: 00:26:26

think I've learned, yeah. And my life to date. And I expect there

Unknown: 00:26:31

to be many, many, many more unfolding. But it is like the

Unknown: 00:26:35

gurus in here, I have all the answers. I just have to get all

Unknown: 00:26:40

the doubts and the fears, and the garbage and the gunk, and

Unknown: 00:26:45

the programming and the culture, all of that out of the way. So

Unknown: 00:26:52

that I'm available to hear the wisdom that's in here. And

Unknown: 00:26:59

that's not an easy thing to do in our culture. That's just not

Unknown: 00:27:03

an easy thing to do. So I want to honor that piece too, which

Unknown: 00:27:07

is why community is so important. It's why practice is

Unknown: 00:27:13

so important. It's why creating safe spaces to to remember is so

Unknown: 00:27:19

important. Because we have plugged ourselves back in

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:24

well, and I think the deep need is is seen

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:27

as well because I always say this but years ago, a former

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:32

guest, Susan Lucci. She held circles in my town, it was

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:36

probably around the time that I met you. And my my takeaway was,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:40

when you asked the question, and these were in women's groups,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:45

typically, I don't think they were intentionally that way. I'm

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:48

not sure. But when you ask the question, oh, it's just the

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:52

sharing comes pouring out. The people are so vulnerable. They

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:56

said, that to me says, Yeah, we're looking for safe spaces.

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:00

We are looking for the upgraded conversations. We want to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:04

there in that vibration.

Unknown: 00:28:05

Yes. Because we want to be more connected to that part

Unknown: 00:28:09

of ourselves that is connected to the truth. Yeah. That that is

Unknown: 00:28:14

such a missing link for us.

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:17

If you I think that finding a practice that

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:22

works for, you know, a person, I can speak from my own

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:28

experience, finding a practice that works is, it's it that can

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:33

be a journey to you know, we can think one thing do you tend to

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:37

look at your self care? Does it look the same way? Or do you

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:41

like to mix it up? Do you try not to put a time limit or, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:46

know, like shoulds, too, I saw something the other day, I get

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:49

these emails from an upstart a few years ago called commune I

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:54

think it's called the commune commune. And I didn't read the

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:59

article, I didn't need to but it said like, five reasons you

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:03

should throw away your spiritual checklist and it made me laugh.

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:06

So anyway, I mean, anything that you have to offer or guiding

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:10

wisdom for a listener who might feel cash, I just can't find

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:16

what practice is there for me. I, I think I want to be doing

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:19

something. Where do I even begin? Or how, how do I not be

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:23

hard on myself about it?

Unknown: 00:29:24

Yeah, it's really funny. You bring this up today

Unknown: 00:29:27

because for a period of time now let's call it the last nine or

Unknown: 00:29:32

10 months. I've had my practice has been you know, get up at 530

Unknown: 00:29:40

have a short yoga practice, just let something to get my body

Unknown: 00:29:43

moving. A couple of couple of kinds of meditation, depending

Unknown: 00:29:48

on what's in my practice in the moment, some journaling reading.

Unknown: 00:29:53

There's like a whole there's a whole thing I had and it was

Unknown: 00:29:57

literally a three hour experience which was incredibly

Unknown: 00:30:01

decadent and quite delightful. And not sustainable. Right? So

Unknown: 00:30:06

suddenly like summer came and you know, the house got Fuller

Unknown: 00:30:11

and the season change. So then I wasn't as diligent about

Unknown: 00:30:16

practice. So suddenly they got like, Okay, I'm gonna not do

Unknown: 00:30:18

this part and do this part. And I started getting in judgment

Unknown: 00:30:22

around it. And then the more I got in judgment around it Avella

Unknown: 00:30:27

less I wanted to go to my altar and And so today, I had this

Unknown: 00:30:35

awareness was like, well, let's just shake this thing up a

Unknown: 00:30:39

little bit. Like, maybe we don't need to do a three hour thing.

Unknown: 00:30:43

Maybe maybe we need to try something different. So I

Unknown: 00:30:46

changed up my my morning practices today. And I did make

Unknown: 00:30:49

them a little bit briefer. And I added in a new meditation, I was

Unknown: 00:30:53

just like, I gave my, my morning practice facelift. I love it.

Unknown: 00:30:58

And so what I would invite people who are listening in to

Unknown: 00:31:01

think about it as like, what is nurturing in this Now moment for

Unknown: 00:31:05

you. And by the way, what's nurturing for you is not

Unknown: 00:31:08

nurturing for me or may not be nurturing for me. So find what's

Unknown: 00:31:12

right for you. For some people, it's like, go on a hike. For

Unknown: 00:31:15

some people, it's like, you know, take a swim, I have a

Unknown: 00:31:20

friend who swims every day, religiously for an hour in the

Unknown: 00:31:23

mornings. So whatever it is, that drops you into your body,

Unknown: 00:31:30

out, you know, of the noise of the world around you. I invite

Unknown: 00:31:35

you to do that. Maybe for two minutes, or it can be for two

Unknown: 00:31:38

hours, I don't really care.

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:39

So interesting. I love it. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:41

Maria love the shakeup. And I'm thinking that's an interesting

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:46

thing to me, because I think a lot of people like to dip in and

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:50

take some time hearing messages on podcast too. And I never knew

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:56

anything about podcasts really, or the reach they could have or

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:00

how it could you know give just something to a person's life and

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:04

I listened to a few now more than I ever have. But it that

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:10

can be a refuge to to hear messages like this. And I And

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:13

that's I think that's something that I love to do through

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:17

mystical sisterhood is to bring some soul nourishing ideas to

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:24

the energy, the energy and the experience of listening to, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:28

know, like this conversation today.

Unknown: 00:32:30

Yep, I podcasts were on my list for a while to where I

Unknown: 00:32:33

would listen to them in the morning. Like find something

Unknown: 00:32:37

inspiring. I was not listening to like the news. And soul

Unknown: 00:32:42

inspiring I wrote that down. Soul nourishing ideas. Love

Unknown: 00:32:46

that.

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:47

Yeah. And, and also, that idea of what

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:53

nourishes you versus what drains you. Yeah. And talk about like

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:58

with your work now with stepping into our womanhood in the

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:01

matriarchy, like really being discerning, discerning of with

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:06

that. And you know, a lot of some people like to listen to

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:13

the news. I hear so many people say they choose not to, and I

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:18

tend to fall on that side of things for sure. As, as I knew,

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:26

gosh, I knew from a young age, I didn't like scary things, right?

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:29

And yet, and I saw my daughter go through it. Like, it was all

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:33

the thing to watch scary things, freshman, sophomore year of high

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:36

school, and then she's like, scared out of her mind. But that

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:39

we don't want to be bringing in fear inducing mediums, whether

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:45

it be the news or the

Unknown: 00:33:48

need any more of that than already exists thing. No.

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:51

So, you know, maybe I'm not sure. I guess each

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:56

individual has to decide what's right for them. And I guess, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:00

guess the question would be is, how does it make you feel?

Unknown: 00:34:04

Yeah, I mean, my, my main devotional practice right

Unknown: 00:34:09

now is letting my body lead me. Paying attention to what is my

Unknown: 00:34:16

body telling me not what is my head telling me like? What are

Unknown: 00:34:21

the sensations that are occurring in my body here to

Unknown: 00:34:25

tell me Yeah, and can I get radically, like acquainted with

Unknown: 00:34:31

my body? And that's, that's a huge invitation that I think I

Unknown: 00:34:36

would like to invite your audience to is like, can you

Unknown: 00:34:39

really pay attention? Can you quiet the mind long enough to

Unknown: 00:34:44

drop in and feel what's occurring? So that you can use

Unknown: 00:34:51

the intelligence that's beyond the intellect right? There is an

Unknown: 00:34:54

intelligence that we are plugged into that goes way beyond the

Unknown: 00:34:58

intellect that is far more intelligent than we can ever

Unknown: 00:35:02

imagine. Yeah, yeah, that's like that's mystical like that

Unknown: 00:35:06

stepping into the mystical in a big, big way.

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:10

Yeah. And offering that to our children,

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:15

our teens, our, and my youngest is at the end of high school

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:22

now, and I don't know about you, but I laugh sometimes I'm like,

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:25

Okay, this kid out of my three kids have has gotten the most

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:29

spirituality in a different sense. Like, I'll talk to him

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:33

about everything. But I really think in the, it allows him to

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:37

consider things in a different way, it allows him to know that

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:40

he's more than just his grades or his performance on a sports

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:44

field. And I know that's gonna benefit because I think that's

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:48

what's being called for like a new. I don't know, just the

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:53

deconstruction of the older paradigms, to usher in what's

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:58

new, and we don't even know what that's gonna look like, yet.

Unknown: 00:36:01

We have no idea. And I think this is the thing that we

Unknown: 00:36:05

are selling our kids short, this next generation really short,

Unknown: 00:36:09

because we've sold them the story that we know what the

Unknown: 00:36:13

outcome is, like, if you do this, and you do this, you're

Unknown: 00:36:16

gonna get this job. And you're gonna have this kind of life.

Unknown: 00:36:19

And that's what it's all about. And they've really been, like,

Unknown: 00:36:24

sold a lie. It's yeah. vision about the reality of life. Yeah.

Unknown: 00:36:31

And that's why they're so suffering. This is why they're

Unknown: 00:36:34

anxious. This is why they're depressed. This is why they're

Unknown: 00:36:36

struggling so much, because it's not turning out the way they've

Unknown: 00:36:40

been promised.

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:41

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they're so honed into

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:44

it with your kids, because I've been thinking more kindness. For

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:49

myself, you know, when I'm talking to you about sitting

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:52

with a book sitting, I'm not distracted, is just this whole

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:57

idea of like, how, how do we mindfully get away from our

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:02

devices?

Unknown: 00:37:03

So hard? Yeah. It's so I have a really hard time with

Unknown: 00:37:08

it. Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:09

I think, connection. And I know that I've

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:12

seen within myself if I'm transparent, more, more usage. I

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:17

don't look at numbers or whatever. But I feel and you

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:21

know, when I go to bed at night, you know, my daughter's in

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:23

college, my older son's at college, and I feel like, well,

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:26

if I'm not there to answer the call, and all these things, but

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:29

so I think that but there are spaces where if I am watching a

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:34

TV program at night, if I put it in the other room, it's better

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:38

for me, because I don't need to be multitasking. But any kind of

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:41

simple things that you try for yourself?

Unknown: 00:37:44

Well, it's so funny, because I find it really, really

Unknown: 00:37:47

difficult. And we are remote is on our phone. Even if I'm to sit

Unknown: 00:37:52

and engage with a big giant phone, which is my TV. I still

Unknown: 00:37:59

use my little phone to like, access the podium. It's like I

Unknown: 00:38:04

can't escape it ever. Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think I

Unknown: 00:38:09

have anything new or interesting to offer that anyone else

Unknown: 00:38:13

doesn't really know other than this is about free will. This is

Unknown: 00:38:18

about choice. This is about awareness. I really, it's it's

Unknown: 00:38:24

about being unconscious relationship to this device.

Unknown: 00:38:28

That can be a really useful tool.

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:32

Yeah, maybe it's, it's right, I was just

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:36

gonna make a joke about sending compassion to our phone.

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:42

Unconditional Love, but

Unknown: 00:38:45

I do have a lot of gratitude for my phone. Like it

Unknown: 00:38:47

keeps me connected to my kids. It keeps the people I love it's

Unknown: 00:38:51

a really useful tool when I get lost. And I need directions and

Unknown: 00:38:55

Right, right. So there's all sorts of beauty in it. Again,

Unknown: 00:38:59

it's about the device itself. It's about how we're in

Unknown: 00:39:01

relationship to it. And, you know, I have a lot of fear about

Unknown: 00:39:04

the next generation and their addiction to these devices.

Unknown: 00:39:07

Because we're not nearly as addicted, our brains are not

Unknown: 00:39:12

nearly as addicted as their brains are. And that's something

Unknown: 00:39:17

that they're going to have to really grapple with. Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:20

I often wonder if there'll be a backlash, but I

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:23

do think, you know, technology is ushering in the future so

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:26

many ways. And it's, and we're still, you know, in ways like

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:29

we're in that in between still right? Like when with AI, I can

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:33

have that freewill. The choice about whether I want to use that

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:37

or not right now, so And how will that change? I was I went

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:40

to a college night recently at the high school in the high

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:43

school counselors are calling the colleges to say how was aI

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:48

factoring into your applications and just all these cash and I

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:52

think I remember, it was a while ago, maybe less than 10 years,

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:56

but I remember someone saying we don't even know what the jobs of

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:59

the future will be. And I found that fascinating because at the

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:02

time, I'm like, What are they talking about? Well, now I know

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:04

what they're talking about.

Unknown: 00:40:05

We have no idea. Yeah, we had no idea. And I also heard

Unknown: 00:40:09

myself think like, who cares if people are using AI? Like, who

Unknown: 00:40:14

even cares? Like, why are what are we going to do? Are we going

Unknown: 00:40:19

to start chasing down every college essay and see if it was

Unknown: 00:40:23

written by a like, what? What are we doing?

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:28

Yeah, and at some point, it's the I know, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:31

said, you're not on Instagram much anymore. But maybe maybe it

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:34

was. I don't maybe it was an old one. But just like, acceptance

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:37

and surrender and letting go and acceptance of the as is the

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:42

present moment.

Unknown: 00:40:43

Yeah, maybe AI is a beautiful gift. Who knows? I

Unknown: 00:40:47

don't know. And I get to choose how I'm going to be in

Unknown: 00:40:50

relationship to AI.

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:51

So yeah, it's kind of funny too. Because if

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:53

you, if you like you were saying earlier, if we are to crowd out

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:57

the voices, then then you get to decide right? And then don't

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:02

have to read all the articles about it. It's just like you get

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:05

decide you get decide and seems like a lot cleaner to me like a

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:08

lot purer if we get to decide and make our choices.

Unknown: 00:41:13

Yeah, and again, I want to, like bring home this point.

Unknown: 00:41:16

Like, to me, the most fundamental thing we can be

Unknown: 00:41:21

learning as women, particularly as women, because I believe that

Unknown: 00:41:28

like reimagining the matriarchy, and our culture is fundamental

Unknown: 00:41:34

to our future success. And if we can remember to tune in to that

Unknown: 00:41:42

still small voice within that voice of wisdom, that deep voice

Unknown: 00:41:48

of knowing, really stepping into that mystical part of ourselves.

Unknown: 00:41:54

And trust in that voice. That is the single most important thing

Unknown: 00:42:02

that we can do as women on the planet right now.

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:05

Yeah, and so I'm thinking of that right there

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:08

and Marie, and anything that a listener is going through,

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:13

whether it is you know, a child going through a hardship or a

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:17

social issue, or deciding, you know, if you should move your

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:23

aging parent, just this, the sitting and the quieting in the

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:27

stillness, and that's why, you know, to the point of doesn't

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:31

have to look like a practice that is this long or anything

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:34

like that. You can cultivate these practices within the

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:37

moments of your day, and breach like we began today setting an

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:42

intention just to kind of bring an open heartedness and

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:47

truthfulness, I think we touched upon, you know, safety, and in

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:51

going almost like, following. I almost feel like sometimes it's

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:56

magnetizing. But listen, a lot of the conversation today, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:00

feel it's like really listening into your truth. Yep. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:05

deciding on the outer what that is for you taking from this

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conversation, what that is for you. And but just taking the

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self honoring time every day, to sink in and appreciate yourself,

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know that you have the wisdom and ask the inner questions

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like, What do I think about this? How do I feel about it?

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And just wait? Just give yourself some time?

Unknown: 00:43:28

Yeah, and I would even say like, what to spirit one, if

Unknown: 00:43:32

you have a spiritual, you know, if you have a connection to your

Unknown: 00:43:34

higher self or an Ask asking for that guidance every day and

Unknown: 00:43:39

listening for what comes through, and

Unknown: 00:43:43

not expecting it to make sense. You know, not in don't expect it

Unknown: 00:43:49

to be comfortable.

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:51

I agree with that. Yeah. I feel like we're

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:55

getting guidance all the time. And whether we're going to

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accept, it's like dancing around us all the time, what we're

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:05

being called to step into, and it's old patterns that sometimes

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:09

keep us back. I see myself in my business all the time. There's

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:12

many things I do do, but I'll have like, so many ideas, but

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:17

then they don't get off the paper because of my my

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:20

resistance because of conditioning or where women's

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:24

places. So I really honor and I'm excited about the work that

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:32

you're stepping into and following that path that's

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:35

unfolding in front of you to bring the beauty and the

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:39

invitation to women. And so, you know, as we kind of finish up

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here today, we we touched upon a lot of different things. Is

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there anything else that you would like to add before we tell

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:51

listeners where to find you? It's gonna settle into that for

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:55

a moment if there's a little quiet on the other end, and

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:59

Marie's sinking into how she? What information is here for

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:04

her?

Unknown: 00:45:05

I think I think I mean, I always think my, my biggest

Unknown: 00:45:11

message is really trust yourself. That's the biggest

Unknown: 00:45:16

message that trust the guidance that comes within. And what I

Unknown: 00:45:22

think what I just said a minute ago, it's like, it won't always

Unknown: 00:45:25

make sense. It won't always feel comfortable. And it might be

Unknown: 00:45:30

really messy. And trust that too.

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:33

Yeah, that's really pretty. And it makes me

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:36

think that when we trust ourselves, and we put the

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:41

investment into trusting and creating safety within

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ourselves, it's going to allow us to trust in those around us

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:49

and the decisions they make and the path they're on. Because we

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:53

can trust in ourselves.

Unknown: 00:45:54

Yeah, yeah. And if you can trust the messy,

Unknown: 00:45:58

uncomfortable stuff. And you can hold that for yourself, then

Unknown: 00:46:05

when you see it happening out there, in your children in your

Unknown: 00:46:09

significant other in your family system, in your workplace, you

Unknown: 00:46:15

know, that that too, is of service to some part of

Unknown: 00:46:19

awakening that is necessary for personal and collective

Unknown: 00:46:24

awakening. So it's really like, trust the mess.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:29

Because it's messy.

Unknown: 00:46:31

Yeah, and it's here for a reason.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:35

Yeah, I love that about you is that I, I know

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:40

that you bring a real humanity to who you are, and being able

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:45

to name that this whole perfection thing never was meant

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:48

to be never. It's it's

Unknown: 00:46:51

wrapped up in it, though. Maureen. was trying

Unknown: 00:46:55

really hard for perfection.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:59

No, and then, yeah, then here we are with this

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:03

beautiful conversation. So where can the listeners find you? What

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:07

are the best places right now?

Unknown: 00:47:09

Best place is my website and Marie teressa.me. I

Unknown: 00:47:15

am on Instagram. And I'm really sporadic talk about messy and

Unknown: 00:47:19

consistent over there. I've been really posting but I may get

Unknown: 00:47:23

back to that. But those are the two places that you can find me

Unknown: 00:47:26

I'd love for anyone who wants to hang out a little bit more to

Unknown: 00:47:30

join my newsletter. You can do that on my website. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:34

yeah, well, thank you. I'll put that in the

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show notes. And may your work exponential eyes and just expand

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:44

into the universe. And like we were saying before we started

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:49

just the perfect people coming to sit and be and have these new

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:54

conversations. Yeah, I'd

Unknown: 00:47:56

love that. Work. You say the word again for me.

Unknown: 00:48:01

They said exponential lies. Yeah, I

Unknown: 00:48:03

love that word. I was trying to spell it in my head as you said

Unknown: 00:48:07

it. Will the same for you. Thank you for inviting me to your

Unknown: 00:48:12

orbit. And yes,

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yeah, thanks for being here. Thank you for

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