39: How To Nourish Your Body & Soul With Barbara Horsley

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is

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your host, Maureen Spielman and today I sit down with Barbara

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Horsley. She is an online educator of abdominal therapy

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for reproductive and digestive health, herbal medicine for

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women Mind Body therapies, and natural movement. She has been

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working in the healing arts field for over 25 years, with a

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specialty in abdominal massage and visceral manipulations.

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She's worked with 1000s of bellies and believes each one is

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uniquely beautiful, and has a story to tell. She has a

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heartfelt enthusiasm for teaching people how to care for

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their reproductive and digestive organs. What lights her up is to

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see people connect with their inner beauty and wisdom of their

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bodies. So settle in and enjoy today's episode. I'm so grateful

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for Barbara for being here. See you in the episode. Hey there,

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

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Maureen Spielman. And this week I sit down with Barbara Horsley.

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And Barbara was introduced to me through Alicia Isaac's House,

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who was a previous guest, talking about the Akashic

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records and she and Barbara had met at at an event and at least

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you had said, Maureen, I think that she would be great for your

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show. So welcome, Barbara. So happy to have you.

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Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah,

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you're so

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welcome. And I'll tell the audience just a

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little bit about you. So they have a little bit of a lay of

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the land before we begin the interview. But Barbara teaches

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self abdominal massage, and mind body therapies for better

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digestion, constipation relief, Scar, tissue release, and

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emotional tension held in the body, in the belly, better

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menstrual periods, menopause and uterine health. So I really

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think for our listenership, a lot of these areas are going to

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be beneficial to kind of go more deeply into so you know, I, it

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was so interesting when I looked at your work, Barbara, because I

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shared with you that when I was a young girl, when I was seven

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years old, I had an accident. And it was my my sister, Susan

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is a listener. And she and I were playing and we were tipping

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back and forth. We were on a table like a seesaw. And she was

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a long rectangular table. And I was on one side and she was on

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the other. And she said Maureen, I bet you can't do this. And I

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popped up on the table with her. And we both had our feet on the

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edges across from one another. And we were rocking back and

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forth and rocking back and forth. And she jumped off. And

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the table, I flew up into the air and the table flipped on its

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side, and I fell smack dab in the middle of my belly. And of

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course, went up into a room to be in pain on my own until I got

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very sick. We alerted my mother as to what happened. But the

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trauma there was a ruptured small intestine. And so you

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know, that was a long time ago. So I have a scar that runs the

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length of my abdomen. And I've always been really curious about

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it. Because of course, when I was little, there wasn't a lot

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of attention paid to it. And I've just been curious. And so

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this is one area that you do work around, and I'll just, I

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just I'm so excited to have the conversation with you. Because

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when I started to watch your free the belly chorus, I was

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like, wow, this is speaking directly to me. So we can talk

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about how a scar tissue adheres to internal organs and all these

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things that I don't even know but yeah, I if there's anyone

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out there that doesn't have that similar experience, but has scar

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tissue of any kind. That's one thing that we're going to be

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talking about today. So I will I will stop there with that share

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that's applicable to the talk but you know, this welcome you

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and how Barbara How did you even get into this field to begin

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with? It's fascinating.

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Well, I was Uh, in college in my junior year,

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and I was directionless, I didn't know what I wanted to

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focus on. And so I thought, well, I'll just go to massage

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school until I figure out what I really want to do. And then 28

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years later, I'm still a massage therapist. But when I went to

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massage school, there is some courses that really spoke to me

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working with energy medicine and polarity therapy. And so once

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you become a massage therapist, there's just so much more to

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learn, you can never stop learning. So I really liked that

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about the profession, it because I'm a curious person. And when I

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worked with clients, I noticed emotions would come up with

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them. And not, you know, sometimes tears would come up

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not out of pain, but because it was releasing some kind of

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emotional charge within them. And as a body worker, I didn't

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know how to work with that. And so I went to the trauma relief

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services in Oregon in I believe it was Beaverton, Oregon. And

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they taught a course in meta psychology. So how emotions are

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stored in the body. And the teacher would have this machine

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that had a as a scale on it like a meter. And the person would

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hold on to these electrodes in just talk. And when they

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mentioned a certain subject, that meter would kind of go off

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the chart, and she would say, let's come back to that. And she

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would work, not from a talk therapy perspective. But through

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working on the meridian system to help release that charge. And

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so I don't know if you've heard of tapping or EFT. Okay, so

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that's what she taught us. So when you experience emotion,

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say, say you're sitting at the table with your family, and

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there's an argument and you're eating a certain food. And you

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can feel as a child, you can feel like this. In your solar

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plexus, and stomach in you can't digest the food very well. And

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sometimes people can develop a sensitivity to that food based

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on that emotion that was experienced in the moment. So we

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would say the tapping or EFT for those of you who don't know, is

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you're tapping on the meridian endpoints while you're focusing

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on the issue. And to help discharge that stored energy in

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so I learned that and worked with my clients with that, and

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it worked really well. But as a body worker, I didn't want to

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talk as much I just wanted to feel. And so I read, I met

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someone that introduced me to Kyle Klein. And he was, is a

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practitioner chinae Song Chinese abdominal therapy. And then

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Chinese abdominal therapy. They each Oregon has a particular

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emotion, can store a particular emotion, and they look at it as

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it's a energy. So anger feels different than sadness or grief.

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Right. And so it was based on abdominal therapy. So we would

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work with the internal organs teach healing sounds for each

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organ to release the emotional charge in that way. So we worked

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with the liver and the spleen, the intestines, the heart, the

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kidneys, all of that. And we didn't focus too much on the

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uterus, but when you work with the liver and the kidneys, and

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the intestines, and the heart, you're working with the uterus

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in an indirect way, but I was very curious in uterine work. So

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that led me to Dr. Rosita arvigo. And the reason why I was

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curious about uterine work is my mom had a retro verted uterus

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when she was young. And it caused her all kinds of problem

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back pain even caused issues when she was pregnant when my

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little brother really bad back pain and pain. A mass and

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painful periods. And back then the doctor said, Well, you're

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done having children, let's just take the uterus out. And she

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hadn't gone through menopause yet. But that's just what they

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did back then. And they've known since the 70s, that the uterus

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continues to work and communicate the ovaries as well

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with the brain for 25 years after menopause just in a

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different way. And that if you take the uterus out, or the

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ovaries out before menopause, you increase your chances of

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neurological diseases like dementia by nine fold. And my

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mom was diagnosed at my age with dementia at 55 and died at 62.

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So I just I saw a lot of women suffering with uterine issues or

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displaced uterus that doctors would say, yeah, that's, that's

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just normal. It's it's no big deal. And Dr. Rosita, arvigo,

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focused on uterine placement. And so that's led me down that.

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Yeah. Well, it's, I'll just stop there for a

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minute. Because I, what, for me, what keeps unfolding is I like

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talking to you about this. Being a specialist in the body or

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organs are you said the other day when we talked for the first

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time, and I've heard this before, but I love it, that our

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issues are in our tissues. So our emotions, just like there's

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that basic for a lot of people. It's the basic offering, like

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learning like, Oh, my experiences are stored in my

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body. Oh, my gosh, then it seems like another layer of like, oh,

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those experiences and emotions are in my tissues, they're in

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the different places in my body. So that alone right there in

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your training and going to the place in Beaverton and learning

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more deeply about that. That's fascinating. I mean, it must it

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sounds like it just opened up worlds. And I really like just

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to comment on your path to is that it just taken a lot of

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different directions. And you've it feels like you've really

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followed the thread of what was calling you next, based on what

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you opened yourself up to learning.

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Yeah, it's all curiosity. And yeah, it was.

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What's next. And all of the modalities I studied in the

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abdominal therapies, the Cine song, the arvigo techniques in

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my abdominal therapy, and visceral manipulation, all had a

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component of the Mind Body emotional piece as well. They

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have the pure structural part, but they didn't separate the,

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the emotional from the physical. It's like in the, even in my

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training with Katie Bowman in biomechanics, she is a

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scientist, a bio mechanist. And when I went to do my

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certification with her, we did a whole week of just chest openers

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and moving our bodies opening our bodies up. And that night, I

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had just all these emotions come up, just just crying. And I told

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Katie, the next morning, she's like, cool, yeah, that happens.

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And so it and then it went back to in that training and the

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trauma relief services. We went to a grocery store where they

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have a little cafe and she, the instructor said, just observe

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people and tell me what they're feeling. And you start to notice

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their, their posture where maybe they're just folded in on

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themselves. And you take on that posture and you can feel oh my

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gosh, that person's sad or agitated, in so that, that alone

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with what Rosita taught with Wilhelm Reich, with our issues

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are in our tissues. You know, he he was a psychoanalyst analyst

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in the time of Freud. And he really stepped out of the norm

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and into kind of taboo for that profession where he started

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massaging his clients, because he felt like that was a faster

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way to release these emotions from their body rather than

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years of talk therapy. And so he talked about these armor bands

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that we hold in our body, which All right in the same spot as

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the chakra system, but he wasn't aware of the chakra system at

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the time. But he talks about, you know, around the chest, the

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pelvis, the throat. The example I like to give is, you know, if

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you have a parent that says, you know, stop crying, or I'll give

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you something to cry about, what's that child do but maybe

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tightness, eyes as throat is neck gets all tight and strong,

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it's tight, to try to stop crying and hold that emotion in,

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and it's protective in the moment. But if you're living in

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that situation all the time, it him it results in the physical

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symptoms, and maybe issues with the eye, eyes, or the neck or

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the jaw TMJ. And as Wilhelm Reich, quote, said, it may serve

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you in the moment, and I'm paraphrasing, because I don't

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remember the exact quote, to wear this suit of armor. But

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then in life, it becomes impossible to dance if you're

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wearing it all the time.

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Wow. Yeah, that's such a good example of

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how we tamp down our crying and our emotion when we're little.

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And how many? I think what strikes me with that example is,

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if you grew up with which so many of us did in our

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generation, with not allowing our emotions in our houses, or

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our parents not so much to keep the peace, what is that? done

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over and over and over again, then a lot of energetic is it

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would you say is it energetic block, or what he called armor,

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or it feels like it gets, like denser and denser energetically?

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Mm hmm. Yeah, blocks the flow. And so with the

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massage and with clients, like when I had a treatment from Dr.

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Rosita, arvigo, she massage along my solar plexus, or what

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she calls the cement posts, like right here, between the navel

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and the ziphone process. And she calls it this cement post,

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because it's that area, when something shocking happens, you

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get that feeling right there, and you tighten up. And so she

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massage that area in old memories from when I was maybe

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in second grade, these boys were teasing me telling me I was

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stupid. And I never thought about that until that moment. In

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fact, I never remembered it into that moment. And then I thought

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about how I went through life and feeling less than

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intelligent and stupid and never smart enough. And when those

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emotions came up, it was it was good. It felt like a release

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like things could flow better. And you know, Rosie didn't

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notice it right away. And she said when emotions come up, try

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not to try to figure it out. Try not to go Oh, this must be about

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when so and so did this. Because that takes the thinking mind

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takes you outside of the body and you need to be present in

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the body. So she said Think of it like a train going by, that

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train can go by but you don't have to get on that train and no

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one has to get off. Just watch it go by. So I combined why

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learn from her and from Tara Bach, in radical acceptance,

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about being present with the body in those emotions notice

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colors and shapes and textures. And I guarantee it will move.

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And so where your attention goes your energy flows and helps

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unblock that dam but we have to go in there with a compassionate

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heart. giving yourself the attention like a good friend and

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need just listening answer not trying to control

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Yeah, and just allowing it feels like what do

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you call that like a cement? What did you call it? The

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cement? That post? Yeah, the cement post Yeah. And how that

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released because often when you experience something yourself I

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was reading recently in a book just like how we're here to have

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experiences too. And so just and through experiential, we can

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move things we can heal things and that what you're describing

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being in the body and being with our body and taking ourselves

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out allowing ourselves to go into the body. It's so it's a

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whole nother thing I used to when I was younger. I think I

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used to say, like, my body feels this way. And my partner would

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always, he'd actually pick up on it, which was interesting. It

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was almost like I had the way I was saying it was almost like a

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dissociation from my body. It wouldn't be like, I feel this

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way, I would have this separation. And I didn't even

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realize I was saying it. But I think there really was something

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to it. That it sounds like it could be intelligence, too. But

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it was Does that make sense? Like the way I'm saying it was

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like, my body was this separate thing. And it's all one yet. Our

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body does have a lot of wisdom and intelligence for us.

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Yeah, that makes that makes sense. Part of, you know,

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we talk and in parts to better communicate, but it really all

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is one. And so when I get a client that is angry at their

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body, because it's just not working, right. They're having

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horrible periods, or having trouble with fertility and or

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negative emotions about menopause, like your body is

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doing a trillion things right in this very second. And your body

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is telling you these are messages, your body's not

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broken. So one of the beautiful things I love about this work is

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to connect people to those internal messages and change the

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way they look at things and then what they look at changes. I

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think that was a quote by I can't remember the physician.

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Good. Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah. We look at things in the

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things you look at change. Yeah. And so again, look, giving

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yourself that loving attention you would a good friend in need

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a single mother open and compassionate heart.

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:07

Yeah, I love that. And thanks for bringing up

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the example for menopause because I think whether it's a

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younger woman experience experiencing menstrual cramps or

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an older woman experience menopausal symptoms it is or is

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there. You just gave an example of looking to your body like

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what messages are in it for me? What kind of messages have you

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seen come up for people in like just take menopause? Is would

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that be a question that is answerable

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by I think first it's like realizing what is your

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truth and what is cultural views of menopause? Its cultural views

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of menopause can be like you're all dried up. You have hot

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flashes, you're aging and you're so you were raised with the that

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viewpoint even when I went into the library and when I was in

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perimenopause and menopause now, I want to get Chris Dr.

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Christiane Northrop's book wisdom of menopause. And I took

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the book off the shelf, and I kind of like, kinda, I didn't

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want anyone to see this. So I was gonna read. And then I

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started reading, I'm like, Heck, yeah, this is powerful time in

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our lives. I looked at other cultures and how they looked at

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menopause is, this is a time when you're, you've accumulated

Unknown: 00:23:45

all that wisdom. And think there is there is a quote that the,

Unknown: 00:23:52

the young girls the, the flower and the mothers the fruit in, in

Unknown: 00:23:58

menopause, you're the seed that helps spread this condensed

Unknown: 00:24:03

Kernel of Wisdom that you've accumulated for the years, over

Unknown: 00:24:08

the years, and there's, I'm noticing in menopause, I don't

Unknown: 00:24:14

hold back as much about what I'm thinking. And I try not to make

Unknown: 00:24:19

it emotional. But you know, in before that, I think there's

Unknown: 00:24:26

kind of like keep peace, kind of worried about what other people

Unknown: 00:24:31

are going to think or how they're going to react to you

Unknown: 00:24:35

like if a woman is assertive. A lot of times are labeled as

Unknown: 00:24:41

bossy instead of a leader. thing, so shifting that in your

Unknown: 00:24:46

mind and if people aren't okay with that, then you don't have

Unknown: 00:24:51

to have them in your life. That's 30

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:53

Yeah, I love that the pointing out though, of

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:57

because I do think it for a Other cultures, I haven't

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:01

studied it, but just that idea that you're more of a wisdom

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:05

keeper when you're moving into menopause. And there's so much

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:09

to be said. And to your point with the, I don't care as much.

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:14

What people think of me when I share of myself is that I hear

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:19

people, I hear women continually say that, like, there's

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:22

something about it, I just and they can be 50 plus, or, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:26

know, in that age range, when that starts to emerge more. So,

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:30

thanks for saying that as well. So a lot of your work is around

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:34

uterine and then I love that about menopause. I don't know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:39

is there anything else that comes to you that you want to

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:41

share there?

Unknown: 00:25:44

Um, well about menopause,

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:48

or just don't? Yeah, it just from that part of

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:50

the body? Or because you've covered sort of, like the wisdom

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:53

of the organs and our tissues and our body in general? And

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:58

then some specifics, what, what we go through as women? Yeah. So

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:03

could be anything, but otherwise, we can talk about

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:06

your courses or, but I always like to, you know, give space to

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:09

that. If there's more.

Unknown: 00:26:10

Yeah, if something comes up, I'm bringing it up.

Unknown: 00:26:13

Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:14

Well, I started. I really love your

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:18

description to like, just the different kinds of trainings

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:22

you've had and the and the wisdom keepers who have taught

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:25

you, you know, your craft, but I was really I thought, your

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:29

course you have a few courses that are available on your

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:32

website. But I'm just the freeing the belly. And I think

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:37

what jumped out at me most that's about abdominal scarring,

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:42

and some what you've touched upon abdominal treatment, but

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:46

just how I think one of the things I got from it is that

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:50

when we have scarring and that goes for people who have had C

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:52

sections that adhesions conform beneath the surface, and attach,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:00

and so maybe talk about that a little bit because I really

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:03

found it fascinating, especially with C sections. How if the

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:07

adhesions are occurring beneath the surface, that that they can

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:12

affect placement of different organs within and just things

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:16

that we don't we're not educated on post surgery, and things that

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:20

we just don't know about or think about.

Unknown: 00:27:24

Right? Well, anytime surgery is performed, there's

Unknown: 00:27:28

probably going to be adhesions that are going to be formed. And

Unknown: 00:27:35

the scar is like an iceberg. Only 10% of it is visible at the

Unknown: 00:27:40

skin surface. And then the surgeon believe that was a quote

Unknown: 00:27:44

from John Pierre, which is who is the osteopathic physician who

Unknown: 00:27:51

I studied at the Burrell Institute and visceral

Unknown: 00:27:54

manipulation. After the Maya and Chinese abdominal therapy, I

Unknown: 00:28:00

continued in that direction. And so, yes, scar tissue can be from

Unknown: 00:28:09

surgeries, traumas, infections. And the internal organs have a

Unknown: 00:28:16

slippery surface that they slide and glide on. So they each have

Unknown: 00:28:20

a motility which is this intrinsic movement that they

Unknown: 00:28:29

probably they think that it is as the embryo is forming how the

Unknown: 00:28:35

organs formed in kind of unfold from the midline. And they

Unknown: 00:28:41

maintain that motility. It's very subtle. And mobility, which

Unknown: 00:28:47

is from external sources like breath work, massage

Unknown: 00:28:52

intercourse. And the uterus also has these innate contractions

Unknown: 00:29:00

depending on where a woman is in her cycle. So if she's ovulating

Unknown: 00:29:07

on the right, the uterus may kind of contract right before

Unknown: 00:29:12

ovulation towards that ovary. And sometimes that there can be

Unknown: 00:29:20

this organized contraction in so that can get in the way of

Unknown: 00:29:25

conception. And of course, at the time of menses, the uterus

Unknown: 00:29:31

is helping the blood to go out and down. So I found that very

Unknown: 00:29:37

fascinating and OBGYN watched ultrasounds in very slow motion

Unknown: 00:29:44

to pick up on these things. And there's a on my website and

Unknown: 00:29:49

alignment monkey blog. There's a whole blog post about uterine

Unknown: 00:29:55

contraction. You can watch that that video It's so mobility. So

Unknown: 00:30:02

this is the uterus different ways the uterus can move to the

Unknown: 00:30:08

left and the right. And she should be able to move in many

Unknown: 00:30:11

directions depending on what's going on, as and up and down. So

Unknown: 00:30:19

with intercourse, the uterus should be able to move. And so

Unknown: 00:30:23

if there's a C section scar here, that could adhere to the

Unknown: 00:30:30

bladder, which is in front, you see the bladder here in yellow.

Unknown: 00:30:34

And so that can cause painful intercourse when, when there's

Unknown: 00:30:42

scar tissue there, and I'm sorry, your, your listeners do

Unknown: 00:30:45

have audio probably, unless you're doing but I just want to

Unknown: 00:30:50

show you the difference, this is a mobility and then and then the

Unknown: 00:30:55

mortality might be more like this. Like soul in this room

Unknown: 00:31:05

manipulation, we're tuning into how the organ is moving, and

Unknown: 00:31:12

feeling the restriction and just kind of nudging it into the

Unknown: 00:31:15

direction that it wants to go, rather than from, like, if you

Unknown: 00:31:21

feel some people might think that if you feel a scar tissue,

Unknown: 00:31:26

or adhesion or restriction the belly just want to kind of deep

Unknown: 00:31:31

cross fiber friction or tear it apart. But you don't want to do

Unknown: 00:31:34

that, because that creates wounding and then more

Unknown: 00:31:38

adhesions. So we work in a way that you're taking the tissues

Unknown: 00:31:43

in the way they want to go, just give it it alone Lodge, and then

Unknown: 00:31:48

laying itself correct because your body knows what to do. We

Unknown: 00:31:53

just have to sometimes clear the pathway, or just give it a

Unknown: 00:31:57

little assistance when there's any kind of restriction.

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:01

So when you do the visceral manipulation when

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:04

you begin to feel how, because I know on your free the Baladi

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:09

free the belly class, it's really teaching individuals to

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:14

begin to feel and get to know their body, which is so

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:18

beautiful, too. But is the idea that when you were just gently

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:23

with the outer scar tissue, do the adhesion start to let go a

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:29

little bit? Or what's happening beneath this or is there more

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:31

but like blood flow to it, and so even with a scar that might

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:35

be older?

Unknown: 00:32:37

Yeah, so with any type of massage, that even if it's

Unknown: 00:32:43

not that specific, you're increasing blood, lymph, nerve

Unknown: 00:32:50

and energy flow to the area in blood is bringing oxygen and

Unknown: 00:32:55

nutrients to every cell in the body, and the lymphatics is

Unknown: 00:33:03

nourishing the area and carrying away pathological debris. And

Unknown: 00:33:07

you're bringing awareness and just blood flow to the area. So

Unknown: 00:33:12

sometimes, in the case of the uterus, if it's it's tipped,

Unknown: 00:33:17

over, say, tipped back against the rectum, and it's just not

Unknown: 00:33:23

moving, that can cause lack of blood flow in there. But it can

Unknown: 00:33:28

also affect constipation, especially right before your

Unknown: 00:33:33

period or your stools may be thinner. Yeah. Or if it's tipped

Unknown: 00:33:38

too far forward, it can affect the bladder causing urgency. And

Unknown: 00:33:45

not a lot of pee comes out. But there's the uterus that's

Unknown: 00:33:48

sitting on the bladder, there should be space in between, but

Unknown: 00:33:52

those organs are structurally connected through foster

Unknown: 00:34:00

peritoneum. Okay, but they shouldn't be sitting directly on

Unknown: 00:34:04

each other. So you can imagine if you were sitting cross legged

Unknown: 00:34:10

for hours, you know, your legs gonna fall asleep, you're not

Unknown: 00:34:14

getting blood flow through the area. So the massage can help

Unknown: 00:34:20

just basically improved in the mobility and motility and blood

Unknown: 00:34:27

flow.

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:27

Okay, yeah, that makes total sense. And then

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:32

you had said something, I don't know if it was in your course.

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:34

But I thought it was really interesting. How, if if we were,

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:38

if we experienced trauma when we were young, that will often not

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:43

breathe into the area of the body. Can you talk a little bit

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:47

about that? Just for the listener? I thought that was

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:49

really interesting. And a call for deeper breathing, you know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:54

as adults.

Unknown: 00:34:55

Yeah. Yeah. So I incorporate breath Work into

Unknown: 00:35:01

many of my courses. Because when you're breathing in a full

Unknown: 00:35:06

circumference breathing, like into your, your lateral ribcage

Unknown: 00:35:10

is, ribcage is opening up, you're creating this natural

Unknown: 00:35:17

massage in the belly, like you'd massage you 30,000 times a day,

Unknown: 00:35:22

that's 30,000 Low massages when you're breathing nice and full.

Unknown: 00:35:27

And they've also captured this sun imaging, it's really cool to

Unknown: 00:35:30

watch that, as with a full breath, even as far down is the

Unknown: 00:35:37

uterus, the uterus is moving a couple centimeters with that

Unknown: 00:35:40

breath. But oftentimes, we're just in the upper chest, maybe

Unknown: 00:35:45

because we're stressed or sitting all the time. Or like

Unknown: 00:35:49

you mentioned, there might be a trauma in that pelvis, or

Unknown: 00:35:54

abdomen may be a physical or emotional trauma. So when I was

Unknown: 00:36:02

little, I fell off the bunk bed and fractured my hip. And when I

Unknown: 00:36:07

breathe deep, it, it really hurt. And I've had ribs out

Unknown: 00:36:13

where it just hurt to breathe into that area. So then you

Unknown: 00:36:16

you'll learn that to breathe into the area. So you keep your

Unknown: 00:36:19

breath shallow. And sometimes it just becomes habit. Or there's

Unknown: 00:36:24

that emotional component, or area of your body, you just feel

Unknown: 00:36:29

disconnected from where you just don't breathe into that area.

Unknown: 00:36:34

And when you're not breathing into the area, you're not

Unknown: 00:36:40

getting that nice sliding glide of the viscera and the blood

Unknown: 00:36:44

flow to the area. So that's why I incorporate breath work.

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:50

Yeah, I love that. Because I know in your

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:52

work, first of all, when anyone ever talks about breathing, it

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:57

just I feel like it just activates a slowing down of

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:00

breathing in general. So I don't know if any of the listeners

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:03

alike feel that too. But I feel like a lot of your work is

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:08

almost like nourishment of our bodies. Because I know too, that

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:14

you're an advocate of the an anti inflammation diet, which is

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:20

something that, you know, I hear over and over and sort of feels

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:25

like my life's work to make choices every day to support

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:30

that. So yeah, so that nourishment you're saying of the

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:34

breathing of our nutrition, that's so important for for

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:39

healing. Yeah, just for life and sustained, long life.

Unknown: 00:37:45

Yeah, it's how our body maintains that homeostasis, or

Unknown: 00:37:49

that balance within, it does rely on those five systems of

Unknown: 00:37:53

flow, and nourishment. And of course, blood brings the

Unknown: 00:37:57

nourishment. With with diet, yeah, diet can cause

Unknown: 00:38:03

inflammation in the body. And inflammation can cause the

Unknown: 00:38:12

lining of the intestines to break down and can cause leaky

Unknown: 00:38:16

gut, then you have systemic inflammation. And inflammation

Unknown: 00:38:22

over the long term can cause adhesions in the body. So that's

Unknown: 00:38:31

where the making those choices of what you're putting in your

Unknown: 00:38:36

body, and how you're eating that food. Because it could be a

Unknown: 00:38:42

really good food in the new you're seeing in front of the TV

Unknown: 00:38:45

watching something that's stressful, or you're just

Unknown: 00:38:49

gobbling it down because you only have 30 minutes for lunch

Unknown: 00:38:53

break. Your digestion starts in the brain before we even put the

Unknown: 00:38:58

food in our mouth. So being present with what we're eating,

Unknown: 00:39:01

smelling it. The memory of food helps increase the digestive

Unknown: 00:39:07

juices for that incoming food, chewing it, well. You're

Unknown: 00:39:11

breaking it down, so that those digestive enzymes can actually

Unknown: 00:39:16

get to those food particles. So

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:21

it's good, it's great advice slash

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:24

reminders to take time I often, you know so many of us are more

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:28

alone than ever because we're working out of our homes. And so

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:33

maybe we're not even having that many shared meals and I know

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:36

sometimes when I eat my lunch alone, I'll eat it very quickly.

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:40

And I feel I don't know what that is like almost like I'm in

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:44

a hurry for the next thing but what you're saying is putting

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:49

more mindfulness to it more intention and I've heard that

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:52

recently to about my girlfriend was here and we were all making

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:57

like a smoothie together and it was not good. landed down all

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:00

the way. And she said, Yeah, you're supposed to masticate it

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:04

a little bit when you take it in to let those digestive I guess

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:09

enzymes start to activate your saliva. And it's this whole

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:13

process of feel like so much of the message these days really

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:16

for so many things is the slowing down.

Unknown: 00:40:19

Yeah, a lot of times it goes back to really simple

Unknown: 00:40:22

things like that mean, simple as in, you know, foundational.

Unknown: 00:40:29

Yeah, like be more challenging in today's world because we have

Unknown: 00:40:35

a lot of distractions, or we're on a timeline. But you're making

Unknown: 00:40:40

space to have a nourishing meal touching the food. Yeah, we

Unknown: 00:40:47

don't touch our food anymore. Yeah. You're many of us that

Unknown: 00:40:52

aren't gardening or, or cooking our own meals from scratch?

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:57

Yeah. Oh, it's so good. It reminds me of I'm

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:01

not sure I'm gonna get this quote down our right but you had

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:05

quoted, I think in your free the belly chorus Caroline nice. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:09

it was some I wrote it down. But it says what drains your spirit

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:13

drains your body. So I'll say that, again, what drains your

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:16

spirit drains your body? What fuels your spirit fuels your

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:20

body. And then you had suggested I loved the suggestion of, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:26

know, what drains you and what nourishes you. So yeah, do you

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:32

want to add anything to that? I love this suggestion.

Unknown: 00:41:36

Sure. I think it's a good exercise to maybe start

Unknown: 00:41:42

with a meditation and think about really what nourishes your

Unknown: 00:41:47

soul. So for me might be walking in nature, and looking at plants

Unknown: 00:41:54

and seeing what's edible. And what's medicinal. It connects me

Unknown: 00:42:00

to the earth and my surroundings. And it makes the

Unknown: 00:42:05

walk so much more interesting for me. And I feel happy. I feel

Unknown: 00:42:11

happy when I'm near a waterfall or in a forest. And you can it

Unknown: 00:42:19

that changes the chemistry what's going on in your body?

Unknown: 00:42:25

Oh, wow. Yeah, there was a Harvard study that showed people

Unknown: 00:42:32

a video of Mother Teresa. And it brought up true feelings of

Unknown: 00:42:36

kindness in them, and then they took their blood samples in

Unknown: 00:42:40

there. I can't remember what it what immuno marker it was by

Unknown: 00:42:46

increased her immune system for a whole week just from having

Unknown: 00:42:49

true feelings of happiness. And we well know what stress does to

Unknown: 00:42:54

the immune system. But we rarely think about the other side. So

Unknown: 00:42:59

how can you bring in? What makes you happy? Sometimes we forget

Unknown: 00:43:06

about that. And then looking at what drains what can you let go

Unknown: 00:43:11

off? A lot of these shoulds are for me, it's like people that

Unknown: 00:43:16

complain all the time or gossip. I don't need that in my life. I

Unknown: 00:43:22

don't want that's not productive to me. I find myself hanging out

Unknown: 00:43:29

with AB and 90 year olds lately. Because the stories and the

Unknown: 00:43:35

preset their their life. Perception and wisdom is just

Unknown: 00:43:43

great conversations are still curious. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:50

They were just masters too of telling stories.

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:53

I think about my dad, he just remembered everything. And I

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:56

think it's because when they were young it was you know,

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:59

there was only the radio to listen to you. And you heard the

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:02

stories through that. And then the storytelling kept on going

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:05

down the line. But yeah, yeah. What's essential, right, what

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:12

feeds our soul and what drains us? It's so important to look

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:15

at. Yeah, I love that exercise.

Unknown: 00:44:19

Yeah, and just like with food, instead of thinking

Unknown: 00:44:22

about what you shouldn't eat, think about all this wonderful

Unknown: 00:44:27

food you can eat and then you eventually crowd out the bad

Unknown: 00:44:30

stuff. Right? Same thing when you're scheduling your day. To

Unknown: 00:44:36

add in things that nourish your soul, you're gonna start to

Unknown: 00:44:39

crowd out what doesn't you know what drains your soul?

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:44

Yeah, I think the truth of it is too a lot of

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:46

us end up getting pretty quiet and it might be uncomfortable

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:51

because as we sink into what is nourishing to us. It is it is

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:55

much much quieter and maybe it used to involve bigger groups or

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:59

outing things and things like that. But we do change as we get

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:02

older. And the outer world right now is very busy. So I think we

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:07

need our inner nourishment more than ever.

Unknown: 00:45:10

Yeah, yeah, just like a tree doesn't bloom all year

Unknown: 00:45:17

round, you know, in the winter, the leaves fall away, and the

Unknown: 00:45:20

energy goes into the roots. And that's why I like living with

Unknown: 00:45:25

the seasons, as well. As I look forward to winter, here now,

Unknown: 00:45:31

people might complain all the snow and all this, while I'm

Unknown: 00:45:37

like, Oh, this is a time to make nourishing soups, go inward, and

Unknown: 00:45:42

recharge yourself and read good books. And you can still

Unknown: 00:45:47

schedule in social time and get out. But it's okay that your

Unknown: 00:45:52

preferences change. You have to listen to your body and what you

Unknown: 00:45:57

want. And one thing I love about my friends is like, if there's a

Unknown: 00:46:02

party, and I was going to go and I'm like, you know, I'm just

Unknown: 00:46:05

feeling like just nourishing myself and they support that

Unknown: 00:46:09

they don't guilt you, you got Come on, just don't be a loser.

Unknown: 00:46:14

You know, we that they support, they get it, they understand.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:18

I love the I'm almost thinking, you know, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:21

and I both live in the Midwest now. So obviously, we get four

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:25

seasons, but how much we sometimes fight the seasons?

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:30

And, you know, I know that in the past, I thought, oh, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:34

know, gosh, the cold season, it's not for me, but you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:36

bringing up the question of like, How can I embrace it? And

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:39

I think that I have friends in more extreme climates in the

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:43

south of the country. And those are those field challenging to

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:48

me in the way is even for them because there's not a break in

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:52

seasons as much. Now currently.

Unknown: 00:46:56

Yeah. I we get away during, you know, a month. And

Unknown: 00:47:03

we go away almost three months. But you know, we have long

Unknown: 00:47:06

winters here. And you know, yeah, my husband's helps me get

Unknown: 00:47:14

out of my shell and want to travel a little more during that

Unknown: 00:47:18

time as well. But we do get our winter time here and in

Unknown: 00:47:23

Michigan, and I'm trying to encourage him to go inward and,

Unknown: 00:47:27

and more cuddle time.

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:30

Sounds nice. Well, before we finish up today,

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:34

Barbara, I Are you do you still see people in person? Or do you

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:39

do mainly offering your online courses?

Unknown: 00:47:43

Mainly the online courses. I'm not seeing any new

Unknown: 00:47:46

clients right now. And I'm living kind of remote. So it's

Unknown: 00:47:54

tough for people to get here and do follow up sessions. But right

Unknown: 00:48:01

now I'm focusing on online.

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:03

I love that. Yeah. So delivering your

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:06

messages and the and the work online. Yeah. And you can be

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:12

found at is it nurture? And nurturance.net?

Unknown: 00:48:16

Yep. nurturance.net. And from that website, in the

Unknown: 00:48:21

main menu, they can get to my courses, the four courses I'm

Unknown: 00:48:24

offering right now, and also my blog, there's lots of

Unknown: 00:48:28

information on the blog. If any of this startup interests like

Unknown: 00:48:34

in the mortality and or return health are you there? Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:40

I love it. Definitely, I you had offered me

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the free the belly course. And I just found it was just so your

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:49

delivery and just the information provided into it.

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And I'm, I'm really excited to dive in a little bit deeper to

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begin to understand my body and to I think I think these

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:02

conversations in general, get us all more into the body. You have

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the special, you know, the specialty in the abdomen. But I

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think these conversations are really good. Because I think

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humanity's also taking us in the direction of oh my gosh, for so

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long. We've been in the mind and thinking our way out of things

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:21

and looking for the solution so much, but what if so much was

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:25

stored within us?

Unknown: 00:49:27

Yeah, I think the more we soften, soften the more we

Unknown: 00:49:33

can connect to other people as well without that defensive

Unknown: 00:49:36

armor,

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:37

I believe so. Yeah. I love that. Well, thank

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you so much for being here with us today. I'll put in the show

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notes, the you know, your website and the different

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resources we had mentioned today. I only got to go a little

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bit to the art it was the arvigo website and I began to fall down

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a rabbit hole and so I need to I discovered that more because I

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like to look at who your teachers were to. But the work

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is coming so beautifully through you and thank you for being here

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with the listeners. And yeah, we will put links in the show

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notes.

Unknown: 00:50:14

Okay, great. Thank you.

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:16

Yeah, you're so welcome. Okay. Thank you for

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being here to the audience listeners again. I so appreciate

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you and I hope you got a lot from this episode. Thanks for

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I'll see you in the next episode.