29: Befriending Your Anxiety With Betsy Grimm

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Hello and welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is

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your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I sit down for a

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conversation on yoga, PTSD, and anxiety amongst many other

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things with Betsy Grimm. Betsy is in my neighborhood and I was

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so thrilled to meet her acquaintance, because she has a

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lot to say and share about ways that you can intervene with

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yourself when you're in an anxious state. A lot about how

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our anxious mind can get in the way of our true self. The

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importance of daily practice in coming to ourselves, and we've

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got a guided practice with within and mantras that help

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with anxiety and fear. So I am excited for you to listen in and

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learn alongside me. I'll see you in the episode. Thank you for

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being here.

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

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Maureen Spielman. And today I am sitting down with Betsy Grimm.

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And I like to do a shout out if someone introduced me to my

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guest. And today, that would be Libby Paul. So I'm super excited

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that she introduced the two of us. I am going to just read a

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little bit of your bio, because I like the way it's written. And

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I think it's gonna give the listener today an overview of

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who you are, that where you've studied what you've done before,

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we kind of, I think funnel that down a little bit into a few

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topics. So Betsy Grimm is a somatic based practitioner

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trained in hakomi, mindful somatic psychotherapy. She is a

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yoga Instructure instructor

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with Kundalini and yoga for mood management, and she teaches

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meditation.

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I love that you said Betsy. Her own anxiety, depression, PTSD

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and blatant desperation, led her to two out of the way healing

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places her former self would have rolled her eyes at That's

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so great.

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And then maybe Lastly, her spiritual wanderings include

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yogas, rich breathwork, Montra, meditative and bhakti practices,

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as well as continual movement, ecstatic dance, bodywork, sweat

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lodges, ritual, guided work with sacred medicines, prayer, and

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deepening connections with nature. So you are well studied,

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and more than you have so much to share today. Welcome, Betsy.

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Thank you for being here with me. Oh, my gosh, I'm worried.

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I'm really excited to be here with you. And especially because

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I'm meeting a new neighbor, a new sister, that makes me so

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happy. So yeah, I think we're probably just a couple miles

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apart. And yes, yeah, I love that too connected. I think

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that's a just a great place to start that there are more of us

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out there who are interested in having these conversations. And

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sometimes, I mean, we may have worked in neighboring

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communities, we may have passed each other in the grocery store

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on, you know, the main street in town, right, you know, through

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the years and not even know and that's I think that's the

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importance of connections to when we can connect each other

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in this sisterhood, hey, I think you should meet or it's really

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valuable to our growth as individuals and these

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communities. I totally agree that connection piece is so

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important. And I really love what you're creating here is

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this community because yeah, that's been a big important

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driver for me is really finding places where we can join

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together and where we can share our wisdom and also share our

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desperation and share all the questions that we have to and

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yeah, such a good point with the wisdom and the desperation

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because that's like I never want to be bypassing the realness of

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life and

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And, and there's so many great things about manifestation and

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abundance and all, you know, this body of work, and we all

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come to the table with our life experiences, which are filled

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with joy, and hurt our wounded places, our traumas. So,

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you know, that might be a good place to start, because before

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we got on, you know, there's a lot of topics that we want to

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kind of weave our way through today. But I know anxiety and,

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and just this, this discussion around anxiety is maybe a great

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starting point. And because I don't know your story, or why

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you care so deeply about this, would that be a comfortable

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place to start for you? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So my story

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is, is I'm a Midwest girl grew up pretty conventionally, and

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just kind of following the mold that culture laid out and

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actually looked pretty good from the outside.

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And then at age 40, my sister unexpectedly died. And

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it was just a complete unraveling. For me. Part of it

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was the the suddenness of it had an impact. And part of it was

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she was my everything. She was two years older, and my only

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sibling. And I did later find out I that it was PTSD that I

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was dealing with, but it was pretty extreme anxiety. And I

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did kind of jump into action, I was trying to care for her kids

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and for my parents and for my own kids as well. And trying to

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anyway, and

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yeah, I started to figure out like, I need help

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here. And SSRIs would be helpful for a certain period, but they

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really, they just didn't, that didn't sustain for me. And it

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was the beginning of my starting into cognitive behavioral work

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in sort of digging underneath things. And that was really

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powerful to sort of open up these areas that were just blind

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to me before, and really started my journey. But before her

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death, I had already had some experience with yoga. And I just

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kind of knew that this would be a place where I could find some

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relief. And so it was, it was sort of it became my lifeline.

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And I really appreciated these yogic communities that could

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support me and could offer other healing modalities, too.

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But I can remember very specifically, I was in an Amy

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weintrob workshop, and she works with yoga for mood management.

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And it was the first time where in all of my kind of

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overwhelm,

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that I actually found my way to, like some openness and found my

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way to myself. And it was the first time where I felt like,

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oh, here I am. And it was amazing. It was so striking the

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difference. And later, I Well, I knew like I had to become a yoga

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instructor and that I would need to follow her work. And so that

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started to really help me understand some really basic,

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practical ways to work with my anxiety. Oh, wow. Yeah, thank

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you so much for that backstory, and just your life, your life

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story, and what you went through, and the PTSD and the

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trauma of it all.

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And that, and just like, it feels like a gentle coming back

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to yourself, but those moments, the that revelation that you had

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on that day, and that time, I want you if you can, because I

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feel like yoga is one of these things that sometimes and I'll

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speak from my own experience, it always felt like that thing that

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I should be doing that it was gonna be.

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I feel like sometimes like the way

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people can approach yoga is like very dualistic, like you're

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either doing it or you're not doing it, if that makes sense.

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And so

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I think it's a really good conversation to even say like,

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wow, what are the benefits of a yoga practice? And that seems

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like such a basic question. Yeah. But when you describe your

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own experience of like, even during those times, that were so

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just probably dense and challenging to get through. What

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were some qualities that occurred in you or what like

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when you

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Got to your mat. What did that provide for you? Hmm? Yeah, it's

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it's such a good question. And it makes me think, well, first

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of all, that not everyone loves yoga. And I'm always surprised

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at how many yoga teachers when they talk about their first

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experience with yoga, they actually hated it.

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And, you know, part of it is, is that work, we can, you know,

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bring everything make everything quiet, and we have to be with

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ourselves. And that means being with our thoughts. And so, yeah,

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I would love to talk about particular types of yoga, that

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that can meet more of the the anxious mind. Because, yeah, not

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all yoga. In fact, if you went into yin yoga class, it might

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actually have you feel really stressed out and,

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and in your head, because there is so much spacious that Miss

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there.

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But, you know, yoga, how it works, I remember we were asked

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this in my first yoga training, and it was like, Well, why does

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it work? And we all knew we'd have these experiences like,

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well, I don't know, I just feel so much better. And what is

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that? And,

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and it's funny, because I still now I marvel at the people that

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come out of the yoga class before me, and they're just

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completely changed. And I always think it'd be really interesting

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to take pictures of people before they go into class. And

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after they go, they come out of class.

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But

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sorry, I'm losing my train of thought back to off, there's so

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much here, marine.

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So how Yoga works is really, it is a practice that helps us to

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transcend the limitations of the mind. And that's a big concept,

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right? And, you know, we're used to the asana practice, which is

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so much about body and movement, but there's a whole lifestyle

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and philosophy piece to yoga, that's Brett's pretty vast and

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deep.

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But that really at its base is what we're doing is we're

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learning how to work with our mind. And so

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yeah, yoga can be

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this place where we learn to step away from our thoughts and

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learn to become the witness to our thoughts, right. And that's

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a huge concept. That's a big thing. And that's part of you

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know, why meditation is so important is to learn, oh, gosh,

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I'm not that and these thoughts just are right up on us, it's so

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hard to have that separation. But man, that is just such a

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skill to develop is learning how to witness and, you know, on the

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laboratory of our mats, we can really practice that awareness.

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And you kind of have to, especially when you're starting

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Yoga, you really have to pay attention, where are my feet?

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Where are my arms, there's all these ways you have to pay

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attention, or you're gonna fall over. Right? And so, but it's a

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great way to practice that and just watch your mind and be

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like, Oh, look where my mind went. Oh, isn't that

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interesting? Right? Yeah.

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I think too, as I've

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been adopting a practice recently, I, for me, it's been,

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it's almost like allowance allowing, allowing

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the taking of an hour, I remember when I used to try it

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more in my 20s. All the classes seem to be an hour and 15 to an

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hour and a half. And I what I find now is, there's more in

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that hour range that for me, is more more accessible, but it's,

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it's an allowance, and that almost like,

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it's almost like one of those things that if it doesn't catch

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for you the first time maybe try different instructors to because

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I think you were gonna say to the the types of yoga casts

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depending on which avenue you go down, and we've kind of talked

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about that Kundalini. And I recently heard about Kundalini.

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And I was super excited. And I logged on to a site and kind of

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got on, they had a whole bunch of teachings in a couple of

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weeks free and it was so overwhelming. So to your point

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about how it can be and then you had said like, oh, maybe you

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want to go this direction, Maureen, if you want to know

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more about that, but yeah, yeah, well, you know, I'm glad you're

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bringing that up. And and yoga, like, even the timing of it. The

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important and those hour and a half practices aren't as

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accessible for a lot of us. And the truth is, is that even three

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minutes these three minute practices can really be worthy

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and really be held

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helpful. And so yeah, we can kind of be creative at how we

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work with these different practices. And there are very

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different types of yoga and different ways to work with it.

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And yeah, I can talk more about some of the ways that are really

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helpful to work with anxiety, that more anxious mind, because

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it's actually quite different than how you've worked with a

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slower, more in the realm of tomasik, or the depressed state.

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There's different ways of working with it, and different

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modalities, meet them in different ways. Yeah, I love

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that. And And so speaking to that, because when anxiety is

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with us, it's in our mind, but does it also settle into our

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nervous system and become kind of like a loop for us where we

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have that, like, I, before we met today,

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I don't carry a lot of anxiety I think I did when I was younger.

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And I remember even the first time I had a ramp up towards

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like, I don't know, if it was a panic attack. I don't think it

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was ever. But I would just remember when, and like you're

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saying, you know, things can come up later in our lives, you

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had a traumatic loss event. And then I don't know how much

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anxiety was with you before that point. But I feel like that

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anxiety does live within the nervous system, because I think

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I have a lot of ways that I ground myself and study myself.

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But this morning, I mentioned to you that I was in the DMV. And

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it was for my son's license. But I was sitting to the side and my

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body was just more flooded with a memory. There was something

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there. I mean, that was definitely the operating. So is

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that with anxiety? And this obviously is like a

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straightforward kind of basic question too. But is that your

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experience that we experience it sort of throughout our different

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bodies, our mind our emotions, our nervous system? Well, first,

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I just want to give you credit, Mama, because that driver's

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license thing is a rite of passage. And so I can understand

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and why things were coming up for you. Absolutely. Yeah. And,

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yeah, maybe we can talk a little bit about the anxious mind. And

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how it does get in the way from us really being more connected

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to ourselves and just the pattern, whether it's anxiety or

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not the patterns of the mind that really can get in these

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ways of looping and can get stuck in these ways of looking

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at what we should have could have would have done and get in

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these places of forward tripping, that really get us out

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of the present moment. Yeah, please, please. Yeah, yeah. So

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yeah, so anxiety, it's a big topic for me.

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My anxiety and I are tight, we've been hanging around each

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other for a long time. And one of the things that I think is

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important, as those of us who really do struggle with patterns

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of anxiety, is to be friended and to know that this is

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actually very biological, and that our primitive limbic

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system, which is doing everything it can to keep us

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safe, right? It's doing what it can't, it can and that, you

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know, it's not exactly the system that works best for our

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modern lifestyle. It was built to help us outrun a saber

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toothed Tiger, and we're not doing that so much anymore. And,

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and so, one place to start with anxiety is just give yourself a

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lot of grace, and see if you can, yeah, just find some self

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compassion and understanding this isn't me, this is biology.

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And another important thing with anxiety is to remember that just

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because in the sensations of anxiety are so strong, but and

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they feel like an alarm in the body. But just because it feels

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like it's an alarm doesn't mean that it's an alarm. And so it's

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really important to recognize that my body signaling doesn't

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actually mean that that's really as urgent as what it feels. I

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love this quote by Robert Fuller, full GM who says Don't

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believe everything you think.

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Right? Yes, we did get really attached to that. Yeah. And when

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we have these sensations that are really strong, we can get

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Yeah, really connected, that this is the truth. And so one of

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the people that I love and her process, Byron Katie, she asked

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these four questions to help work with your thoughts. Yeah,

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you're smiling, you know? Yeah.

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That is it true, starting with that basic question. And that's

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a great place of inquiry. Are these thoughts? Is it true? And

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then also, is it helpful?

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So those are great places to start and to recognize that the

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ways that we're getting stuck in these patterns of being in the

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past or being in the future

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that really pull us out of the present moment. And that's why I

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love how Andrea Gibson, who is a great spoken word poet, she,

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they talk about how they talk about worrying. And they say the

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present moment is far more doable than the future or the

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past.

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Right.

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So that's why any of these practices that help us get into

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the present moment, are so important for all of us, and

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particularly, to interrupt that, that anxious mind. Yeah, and I

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love all the references that you just brought in there the

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the work that has come before the quotes that remind us of the

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present moment, but even with the Byron Katie questions of Is

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it true? Do I know it to be true?

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I always forget the fourth one I know like, what would I be

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without that thought? I love those because they allow us to,

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like you just said witness our thoughts. And we believe were

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our thoughts before learning ways to witness them. And when

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we witnessed them, they, they I feel like they it loosens up the

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grip a little bit. They if we believe that we are those

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thoughts, then that's a hard pattern to break. But if Yeah,

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yeah, I love how you said that loosens up the grip. I think

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that's what it's about. It's like teasing out those spaces,

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and getting more space between the thoughts. Yeah. And then

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there's just more space for you. Right? And then you have a

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little bit more clarity. And the more you can tease that out, the

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better. So yeah, I very much resonate with that. Yeah, I was

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also, yeah, sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say

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during yoga classes, I would love to experience your teaching

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at some point. But I know that Yoga also gives the opportunity

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for the person experiencing it when the teacher brings their

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wisdom in. And it can be the most gentle reminder of setting

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an intention or talking about your thoughts and anxious lives,

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whatever it is, that is sort of the theme of that class or that

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day. But it brings this reminders because we were

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talking before we started to about like how we can pull in

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all the books in the world. But sometimes I will read an entire

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book. And if you asked me a week or two or two later, what it was

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about it like, I can't really give you a synopsis. But, you

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know, one of the

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I know one of the takeaways you wanted today for the listener

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was what are the simple things I can do? What are what are

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reminders that helped me connect to myself? So, you know, you

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know, if you want to talk a little bit about that, like any

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things and I know today, you also were interested in leading

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the listener through meditation as well. Yeah, yes. I'm excited

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to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So getting practical with it, I

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would love to do that. Because

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the reality is, is, you know, how we frame our thoughts and

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how we think about our anxiety, that's important, but, or just

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how we think about whether it's anxiety, or just the mind

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getting the best of us, right? That's really important. And for

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the anxious mind, it's like, we can't quite think our way out of

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anxiety, right? We got to, in my opinion, we got to intervene,

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and we got to go to the body. And so some of the tips that are

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really important to me is one is to intervene early. And so

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before we get really, really amped up, and this is where

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witnessing helps to be able to recognize, Oh, I see what's

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going on. I know that pattern in my body I see and to intervene.

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And one of the best quickest ways to do that is to find our

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breath. And so, you know, fear which is at the root of our

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anxiety. It has a particular breath pattern, in fact, come to

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find out all emotions have a particular breath pattern. So

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it's really interesting. Anytime that we just shift our breath

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pattern, we can help get us out of that emotional state. And

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with fear the breath is a pie and it's fast. It actually feels

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like we're not getting enough oxygen in but it's not true. We

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are getting enough oxygen we're actually

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depleting

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the carbon dioxide is actually more of a situation but we've

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we've got plenty

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We have oxygen coming in. And it's this upper energy that is

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that has us kind of spinning in our head. And so one of my

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favorite breaths and we can bring this in right now is is

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that navel breathing that diaphragmatic breathing. And so

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I like to teach it that if you place your hand on your belly,

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and just let the inhale, expand and puff up the belly so that

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you feel your hand move with the belly on the inhale. So each

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inhale, there's this puffing up the belly, and the exhale, the

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hand will descend. And sometimes that's harder for people,

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they're not used to it. And so it can be helpful to put your

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upper hand on your heart or on your upper chest and make sure

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that that hand isn't moving, you can kind of test yourself, and

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just see if you can really concentrate on getting the

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breath down into the belly, we're actually bringing breath

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into the lower part of the lungs, and that flattens out the

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diaphragm, which puffs out the belly. And just that awareness,

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forget about the science of slowing the breath down. Because

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it does, you'll probably notice the breath is slower. But it

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also works with our awareness that when we bring our awareness

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to our bellies, we're getting out of the head, we're bringing

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our awareness down, right. So that is a quick one. And let's

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stay with it, actually, you can stay with this belly breath, you

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can stay with it for the rest of the podcast, you can stay with

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it for the rest of your life. It's a good one. And this is one

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of my favorites. It's so darn simple. But especially when we

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get into things like panic attacks, where we're just not

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thinking as clearly we're not in our prefrontal cortex, it's

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really good to have simple, simple, simple, so this simple

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tool, just place your hand on your belly and breathe into your

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belly.

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So breath, yes, that is an important one for me, and then

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getting moving. So anxiety is a lot of energy, right? And that's

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like going into again, class where you're like, rolling

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around. It's like, yeah, I don't know, that doesn't work for me,

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like to meet that with movement, meet it with some vigor, that's

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where I find that we can actually start to move some of

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that energy out. And so that that vigor can come in yoga can

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come in the form of sun salutations, but it can come in

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forms of, you know, really doing some sweaty movement, playing

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tennis tennis is is a great one. Because again, you've got to use

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your awareness, use your focus, dance, right, get yourself

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moving. And then there are particular ways that you can

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use, use your yoga to support that anxiety, whether it's with

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getting really into your legs, again, getting your awareness

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down, getting your awareness into your feet, and doing things

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like Chair Pose, doing things like balancing poses that take a

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lot of focus, really, really helpful. And then a big tip that

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I find incredibly helpful is getting into naval practices,

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where we're really working our core. And my teacher, Kia

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Miller, who I can't say enough about her wisdom, but she is all

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about the core. And the belief is, is that if we are not strong

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in ourselves, how can we be with all this change and all this

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stuff that's happening in our environment? And so the practice

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of our times is about getting into the core. And so yeah,

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yeah, super important. So yeah, getting into the body is great.

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And then also working with our energy system. And this is why I

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love the practice of yoga is that it is working with our

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energy system, as well as the body. And let's face it in

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anxious energy, or in most of the energy we're moving through

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the world with, we're kind of out fractured, like we're out

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here. We're tending to this, we're looking at this, we're

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worried about this. And we're sort of outside of ourselves,

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right. And it's a really discordant energy. And so these

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practices that help to harmonize our energy, like yoga to work

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with our energy in prescriptive ways, can be so fabulous. And

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that includes working with, you know, body workers that have

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ways of helping our energy system come into balance, Reiki,

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whatever that is, but also just the simple task of grounding to

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the earth. So taking your shoes off, going out and connecting to

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the earth. Yes, it sounds hippy, like but the reality is, is that

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we are electrical beings, and right beneath us, is ground and

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it's actually really important for our energetic systems to

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You connect to it. And so we can bring our awareness to our feet,

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we can soak up the negative ions that are in the earth. And that

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is so important for our whole for our, to ground our energy.

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And then yeah, sorry, no, no, it's it's

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what I'm getting from a lot of this too is yes, you're kind of

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coming at it from the anxiety, sort of, you know, lens, but

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then how important even how you were just saying, in these times

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and this discordant energy. And it's really kind of neat,

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because I see it coming together as like, oh, wow, this isn't

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just a conversation about this conversation today. I can see

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like, even Betsy, almost all the conversations that have been

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happening even through this podcast, it's just a reminder

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for everyone listening, or reminder, a reminder to to

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practice practice. Never has there been a more important

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time, because, and I'll have you go on to the next and I'm

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curious about even lifestyle practices, aside from breathing

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movement, and I'm almost thinking like, I love to have

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sort of, sometimes a screensaver on my phone, for whatever I'm

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working on at that point in my life.

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Like, right now I'm doing a process with a group of people

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the presence process. So mine says, I love myself

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unconditionally. You can't see it. But it almost I feel like

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for people Oh, it's 1111.

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For people who do experience anxiety, it's almost like might

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be above someone's, you know, design abilities. But having

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like a cheat sheet where, where you're saying that intervene,

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intervening? When you feel it coming on? When you feel it,

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that's so important, right? Or like, and then you have like,

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okay, these four or five things I can I can look to, in order to

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call me because I do believe that it's in the moments,

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remembering, remember, oh, my gosh, isn't that the trick? It's

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practice, right? It's going back, it's going back? So yeah,

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because I know, like a lifestyle, what I do is really

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limit my news consumption greatly as to not take in that

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energy. And that's not for everybody. But yeah, well, I

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love Yeah, how you're working with this personally, and just

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bringing up this idea of practice. And for me, that

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actually, is something incredibly important to me is

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having a daily practice, it's something in the Kundalini

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lineage that they take very seriously. In fact, it might be

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that you work with the same type of practice for 40 days. Or it

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could be extended, it could be your whole life. But this way of

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deepening into a practice is so important. It's like our body

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can as we do it day after day, it really, it's like it gets

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into a new groove. And what I find is, it can just give you

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structure, and it's like, you come back to this friend, you

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know, okay, I can go do this thing. And I can find myself

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again. And really, that's what these practices, all of them are

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about is how we find these pathways back to ourselves. And

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when you can make that a regular part of your day.

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It kind of just simplifies things. And in kundalini, they

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do recommend that you do it first thing in the morning. And

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the reasoning there is that it's like we kind of get ourselves in

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our body, we get our energy, rolling and coherent. And then

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we can take on the day from a different place. And even just

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the idea of in the morning, that we're just more connected to

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other realms. And so there's a way that morning, time slot

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really works. And it doesn't work for all people, obviously.

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And there's always value and just sneaking in the little

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practices throughout the day. But for those that are like, Oh

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my gosh, I couldn't possibly take on

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daily practice. I understand that too. And I don't want to

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say oh, you you know, this is something this is an assignment

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you must add to your day. But I do find that when I'm grounded

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and find that pathway to myself, I just I am more efficient, I

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can be more present. I can meet people from a different place.

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And so sometimes we want to think, Oh, we don't have time

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for it. But I see it as like, well actually, I think that it

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makes it makes us just more efficient throughout our day.

Unknown: 00:34:49

Yeah, I think I can create that spaciousness. And then I think

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that's why there it's good for the repetition of these messages

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of the messages over and over from different

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voices and conduits because I was thinking, the simplest of

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things like, fill your own cup first, you can hear it like, Oh,

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I heard that 10 years ago, first or eight years ago, you know

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what I mean? But then the more you hear it, the more and then

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you begin to know, oh, that's really true. Maybe I wouldn't

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say it that way, or I don't like those particular words. But it's

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that self nourishment. And that really putting yourself first

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and it makes sense to kind of

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honor yourself in the beginning of the day, in order to, to, I

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don't know, be able to give to the other parts of the day that

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you are required to because we all have to, whether it's a job

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or our kids or an aging parent, that's there for us. So it seems

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really important to me, right? Yeah. I couldn't agree more.

Unknown: 00:35:54

Yeah. Did you want to share your breath practice today? I do.

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And, and yet, there's a couple more things just on the anxiety

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front that I can't not share, because they've been so

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important to me. And again, because our mind gets stuck, it

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wants to stay in the mind that I think hearing these ways to

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intervene, can be really important. And one of the things

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about,

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about anxiety is a place we can really get stuck is that we can

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really feel alienated, we can feel all alone, nobody gets it.

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And it's a it's a feeling it sort of feels like we're

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trapped. And, and so yes, we can bring that anxiety to to others.

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And we might want them to amp it up and be then meet us where we

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are like, Oh my gosh, can you see this person and we might

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want them to kind of stir up to our level.

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But what I suggest is not coming towards people with that energy,

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but rather with this very vulnerable energy. And you have

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to find the right people to do this with. But to be able to

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reach out and just say to someone who cares about you, I

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am anxious, and it is really hard right now.

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And just being able to reach out and touch someone and not have

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to have them fix it. But just to have them see that and hear

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that, that that is that can change everything. And it

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reminds me of this story we heard in our hakomi training

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about monkeys, there's a particular monkey that when they

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are under threat, that or after they've had some stressful event

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happen, that they will go in touch another monkey. And then

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that monkey touches another monkey.

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And they're just using this energetic charge. And there's

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just something so incredibly beautiful. And that is such a

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powerful reminder. And just also in that place of touch and the

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power of touch. That if we can also find the person that can

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give us a hug. If we can ask for a hug, and have a hug. We know

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there's there's science in how that can co regulate our

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systems. We don't have to talk. It's just this feeling of touch

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in the way of being held and resting into that. So yeah, more

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hugs. So beautiful. So beautiful. It feels like themes

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of safety and trust in there and leaning in and receiving. Hey,

Unknown: 00:38:30

right. Yeah, yeah, knowing you're not alone. That's

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beautiful. Yeah.

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I know, you've got your training and hakomi. And you just

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mentioned it. Do you want to say you know a little bit more about

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why it's so special to you? You know, I do but maybe before we

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go there worrying? Sure. I'd love to talk a little bit more

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about Kundalini. Beautiful. Would that be okay? Yeah. Okay,

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great. Kundalini

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is kind of its own breed of yoga. And

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so yeah, we talked about, you know, there are so many

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different types of yoga out there. And Kundalini is

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different than a lot of what we see those Hatha and vinyasa

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classes. And

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it is very much tied into how we work with the system, the energy

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system of the body, and how we bring ourselves into coherence.

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And we do it through these very interesting and sometimes

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unusual ways of using the body sort of as an instrument. And so

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you might be working with the breath in a particular way you

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might be having the arms out in a particular at a particular

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angle. And in these Koreas there actually designed so that maybe

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for a couple of minutes, you're working with one movement, and

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then another the next couple minutes, you're working with a

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completely different movement. And it's all

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All with this way in which we are systematically working with

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the energy systems of the body, so it's quite different. And

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yeah, often we are trying to build the energy or stabilize

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the energy or direct the energy. And so through that, you can

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actually get really prescriptive about

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different effects that you're looking for. And so this is

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where Kundalini gets really interesting is that they have

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different practices that can meet different needs. And that

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could be anything from anxiety, to feeling foggy in your head,

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there's actually Korea that's really helpful for Alzheimer's

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that's been proven to help with Alzheimer's.

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There can be taught detoxifying Korea's ones that build

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confidence that have that emphasis at the Naval, self

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love, emotional balance, there's all these different ways that

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you can actually kind of shop for just the right practice that

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meets you. So it's quite different. And it's a little

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odd. But

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to me, it's, it's a, it's sort of like supercharging, your yoga

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practice. And so for me, because of my high anxiety, there's a

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way that that has met me in ways that other yoga hasn't

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really beneficial, is it? Is it easy for people to find

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practitioners or, you know, I can make it easy for you,

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because I have a teacher that has, that I couldn't recommend

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more highly. Her name is Kia Miller. And she has her classes

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on glow, which is a subscription site. It's jell o.com. And she

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has hundreds of these and you can search on them depending on

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what you're looking for. And she really truly is just a masterful

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teacher, she has

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gone deep into her own practice unto her studies of Kundalini.

Unknown: 00:42:09

And yeah, she has everything to do with sort of my evolution as

Unknown: 00:42:16

a student and as a teacher. Okay, thanks for that share.

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That will be really beneficial.

Unknown: 00:42:23

Awesome, thank

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you. Yeah. So where would you like to go from there? Do you

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think?

Unknown: 00:42:30

Oh, I didn't know if you wanted to jump into the breath

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practice? Yes, that would this would be a great time to do

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that. Thank you. So yeah, let's take a little practice here.

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I'll break out. There's so many and this is where it gets hard

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for me because there are so many good ones to choose from, but I

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thought I'd pick one that we can do with the group. And this can

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work for people that are even driving in their car or doing

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whatever you're doing, okay.

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And this this breath, my teacher Kia Miller calls this the anti

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insight and sanity breath.

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So

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it's very practical breath. And yeah, you can, it's pretty

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portable, you can take it with you. And so maybe before we get

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started with this breath, we can just start to find our way to

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our seat. And if you are driving, you can, you know, do

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this driving. But if you can sit on something that kind of gives

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you a firm base underneath you. So you can find that tall spine,

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that's great. We're again, working with the anatomy of the

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body, sort of the instrument of the spine here. And we're gonna

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work with mudra. So the mudra, the hand position, is this left

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palm is going to come and face the heart and the left elbows

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kind of winging out to the side. Yeah. And then the right hand is

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going to be placed on the back of the left hand. So both palms

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are facing you right palm on top of the left, left palm closest

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to the heart, but not touching the heart, maybe about, I don't

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know, four inches away or something. And then the thumbs

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connect. So this is how specific Kundalini gets. And then if you

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can get the arm so that they're parallel to the ground. So the

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forearms are sort of in this parallel line. That's great. So

Unknown: 00:44:21

if someone's driving, they can just do the breathing part.

Unknown: 00:44:23

Yeah. Just do the breathing point. Part. And there is also a

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position are a drishti gazing point for the eyes. And so

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obviously, if you're driving, keep your eyes open. Listen and

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come back. That's right. So the actually the drishti is to look

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down towards the tip of the nose, which is very funky and

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weird. It kind of has a little bit of a cross eyed feeling to

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it. But this is again, very prescriptive in the way it's

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working with the optic nerve and putting some pressure on the

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pituitary gland.

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So, all that said, will start to bring in the breath here. And if

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you know makes your eyes crazy, just let that go and do your

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best. But the breath is taking an inhale, it's all through the

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nose.

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And then pause at the top of the inhale.

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And then exhale

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and pause.

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And then cycle again, as you inhale,

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pause for maybe three, or four or five counts.

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And then exhale.

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And try to pause for that same amount.

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So we'll continue that pattern inhaling,

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and pausing.

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Exhale,

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and pause.

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And here's where you can start to lengthen that pause if it

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feels available. So I like to say kind of, make it

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interesting, make the paws interesting. So you're

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stretching it out a bit, but not so much that it's like you're

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gripping. And so you can stretch it out, maybe it reaches as far

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as 10 counts, but you make it work for you and try to keep the

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pause at the top of the breath. And the bottom the breath the

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same.

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This pausing of the breath has a fabulous way of just

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interrupting our automatic cycles. And so we have this

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opportunity as we pause to actually kind of wake up and pay

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attention. So be with that, but little paying attention. It's

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available, this kind of breaking off automatic.

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And you can pay attention to notice if you sort of are

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gripping in the pause. And if you are to see if you can find

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some gentleness there, it's almost like you're just cutting

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a butterfly.

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So stay with that, that

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gentle pause, stretching it out,

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as long as it's interesting and comfortable.

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And then trying to keep it the same at the bottom of the exhale

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as well.

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And if you've lost that little eye gaze, sometimes we forget

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about it, you can bring that back in, or maybe you want to

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disregard that, that's great, too.

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We'll just be here for a little bit longer, we're going for

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three minutes here, three minutes can

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really make a difference in our nervous system.

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So see if you can stay with yourself and just notice way

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when you move away from yourself when the thoughts take you away.

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And then just use the breath to guide you gently back to

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yourself.

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And then to finish our practice will inhale together and find

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that pause at the top of the inhale. And if you know Mala

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abunda. So that's that lifting up of the pelvic floor. It's a

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little Kegel exercise, you can bring that in and that draws

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energy upwards to the center of the head.

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And then exhale, you can release the arms down and just release

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the breath so that you're finding its natural, or it's

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finding its natural rhythm.

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And you might notice as you're released, the breath, that there

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is more

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just smoothness to the breath, it's a little smoother, a little

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deeper,

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a little longer.

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And here's where you might also notice the thoughts and whether

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the thoughts might be coming at a different pace a little

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slower. A little more space between the thoughts

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and a little bit more space for you.

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And so if you're feeling more of the you or the deeper you within

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you pay attention notice that you can even say hi you.

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So this is really what all these practices are about is finding

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this deeper connection to ourselves.

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And in fact, we often close our practice with the sound Satnaam

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and Satnaam is this way of recognizing that

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If, at the essence of ourselves at the core of ourselves is

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truth, so we say sloth known

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for

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so beautiful,

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and calming. And just it feels, it just feels really like

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luscious. Or is

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it like a luxury like a luxury, right? But but our brothers

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should not be a luxury because it's with us. But we get so far

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away from it that when we do the practice, it's like, oh, wow,

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no, it's it's actually part of me. Are there also?

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I feel very calm right now. So thank you for them. Are there

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also for those, either, whether you're experiencing anxiety more

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often? And even if you're not in that form, like you were saying

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earlier, our minds are on overdrive a lot. Are there

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phrases, or, you know, mantras that you use to come to yourself

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as well? Hmm. You know, I happen to love these mantras that are

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in Sanskrit, Sanskrit is such a amazing language and the way it

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works with kind of the anatomy of sound. So even the all

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the way the Oz in the back of the throat, the O is the center,

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kind of opening up the throat, at the lips.

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It has this resonance, and yet for a lot of people, these

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Sanskrit words, they're, they're not familiar. And so it can be

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really nice to just have English words that are meaningful. And

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so you can simply work with mantras like I am peace, or I am

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love. Yeah, you can create your own mantra for whatever it is

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that you're working with just something that helps bring you

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to yourself. Yeah, I always think of I am safe or, yeah, I,

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what comes to mind is, I can trust myself or I trust myself.

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I have I have resources I and I recently heard, I had never

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really heard this kind of work either being referred to as

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resourcing, or to feel resourced, or to be resources to

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be able to tap into these kinds of skills and tools that we can

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just use on a daily basis. So yeah, I think what you've

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offered today is so incredibly, just beneficial and helpful.

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Talking about it from so many different lenses of Yeah, the

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topic of anxiety and our mind. But then the practices that are

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really, they're really pretty accessible. And practical Betsy,

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is right there, especially the breath. It's just right there.

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It's just a matter of remembering.

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And as we talk about mantra, maybe I just want to bring in

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this one other thought around that because this is such a

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lovely one to work with is just the sound.

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So vibrates the lips. And this is what is always so crazy about

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this yoga practice is that these Yogi's figured this out 1000s of

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years ago before they knew anything about polyvagal theory,

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right. But somehow they knew that the sounds, you know, which

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does affect the vagal nerve, are calming and so just that sound

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we sometimes do that naturally.

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really calming.

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And then I'll mention one other sound I just have been working

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with lately that I love for bringing more clarity to the

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mind. It has a very different sense of the way that it feels

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in the body. And that and it's very similar sounds similar to

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own but its own O N G own. And it vibrates the crown. So I'm

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just saying that five times on can really help bring some

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clarity. So beautiful, beautiful. Thank you for all of

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the insight, the wisdom and the the walkaway tools today. It's

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amazing.

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Welcome, as we wrap up, I don't know if you've got anything else

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you would like to add before we kind of share with the audience

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where to find you. You know, one thing that I thought to mention

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because as women and many mothers, I'm sure are listening,

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just talking a little bit about Worry.

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Worry of our kids. You're nodding, right? Like it's sort

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of Yeah, how do we not get stuck there and so in this place of

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worry, just a couple points that might be

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A helpful.

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One is is to recognize that fear of our kids safety is

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biological.

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And it's how we're wired. Right? It helps us keep our kids alive.

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Yeah. And so one of the things about worry is to just give

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yourself again, give yourself grace, like, Yeah, I'm a mom, of

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course, I'm worried and just you can talk to yourself and be

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like, Yeah, I understand. And also do that check in like,

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recognizing that our what our biology is telling us, even

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though it sounds like an alarm, that it might not be an alarm,

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right. And you can do that, kind of looking at these thoughts

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that you're worried about, just as we talked about with Byron,

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Katie, and sort of looking at, like, really, what is my fear

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here, and is it true.

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But one of the things that I can't stress enough is just this

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idea of self care. And, you know, we know this again, and

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again, you mentioned it putting on the oxygen mask first. But

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when we are more in ourselves, when we can access more of our

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bandwidth, where we can access our higher self, we're parenting

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from a different place than from this place of worry, and our

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kids do feel it, and they pick up on it. And we definitely

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don't want to bring to our kids like, Oh, you're making me

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worried, and I'm scared and this energy that we want them to fix

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us, we need to show up to, to them as like, I've got me, and I

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can help you too. And so that way in which like really feeling

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grounded in ourselves is is the work and we can always come back

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to that.

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And then there is this worry practice, and I'll put a link to

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that. But I really like it actually involves drinking

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water, because water is so helpful for the emotional

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balance of the system.

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And

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and then just taking that step back from as far as from the

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parenting role to recognize that, you know, our kids are

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going to have their own path, and that we can't control it,

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and we can't fix it all. And to recognize that they are going to

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work through their own path just as we well to

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in it reminds me of what is in my control, and what's out of my

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control. And what's in our control. Are the practices are

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the choice, the choice to come back to ourselves the choice,

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but I am happy that you pointed out the worry, because that's

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another

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real thing, the real thing that we experience. And you know,

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even if we try to,

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you know, I think bypass it and

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even go to positive thinking or what try to I do feel the

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biological part of it. It's reminded me go in for the hug

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for that to be oh my gosh, yeah, we do. We all do carry a lot

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around. If you are if the listener is a parent is a mother

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and even if we're not a biological mother, we are

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mothering others. So we need to go in for that. I'll get that

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support, and also give it to ourselves. 100% Yes, that is the

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answer.

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Yeah. Thank you for everything. And where can our listeners find

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you if they go to look for your work? Yeah, so my website is

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Betsy grim.com. I also am on YouTube with some of these tools

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that sees yoga tools, you can find me there. And I'll put a

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link into some of the specific tools that I recommend. And

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yeah, I think that's it. That's great. I'll link everything in

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the show notes. And we I'll try to go through my transcript and

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just pull out everything and everyone Kia and Byron, Katie,

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and just everyone we mentioned today. So the resources. Yeah,

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awesome. That's great. Don't worry, I don't know if we have

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time for this or not. But there's this kind of umbrella

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notion that has been on my mind and what I've wanted to share.

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And so again, I don't know if there's time to talk about this.

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But there's something that's really helped me that just kind

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of guide my way of thinking about my life, and finding these

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ways in which we find the pathway back, you know, whether

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it's through our yoga practices where we find these glimpses of

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ourself or like all these places where it's like, yeah, here I

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am. And it came from this this poem. It's really sort of a

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prayer that pixie Lighthouse says where she talks about

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healing places

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is, and what she says is teach us to see, read the tracks and

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follow the markings that lead us to the healing places. And it's

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when I heard that because I was already doing that. But I wasn't

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really even recognizing that that actually can be sort of a

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way in which we navigate our whole lives, like we can create

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our whole life around finding healing places, and what a

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different world it would be if we all oriented around healing

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places. And there's so much out there, there's just so many vast

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ways to find healing and find that pathway back that can be

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just as simple as the breath.

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Yes, thanks for I mean, that's such an invitation for people

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and that discovery of the things that will speak specifically to

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you to the to each of us, right, it might look, there might be

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overlap, but it's going to look distinctly our own too. And

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that's the beautiful blend that you brought today. And you do

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bring is everything that you've pulled in, together, at paired,

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first and foremost with your experiences and what you really

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came to teach and offer to people and to cultivate within

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yourself. I mean, it's just such beautiful work and thanks for,

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for doing it and being it and being here today with us because

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it was just a pleasure to have this conversation with you. Oh,

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well. It's such a pleasure to be here and to be with a mystical

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sister. It really lights my heart up. It's a pleasure. Yeah,

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I loved our conversation. Yeah, me too. We will continue it in

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the future. And yeah, to our listeners. Thanks for being

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here. share with a friend if you have someone in your world that

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would benefit from any part of this conversation. And we'll see

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you next time.

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