28: Merging Life Coaching with a Love of Horses with Mary Burg

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Hello and welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is

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your host, Maureen Spielman. Today I'm really excited to sit

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down with Mary Berg. She is a seasoned life coach. I met her

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through my sister Kelly. And she's very well rounded and well

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respected within the field of life coaching. She is here to

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tell us her family of origin story, her life's path with

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regard to career. And also I was fascinated by the fact that Mary

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has worked for a number of years with horses. She has brought

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them into her coaching. And she has gotten to know these animals

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up close and personal. So she shares with us stories about the

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horses, the intelligence and soul that these animals just

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embody. So I hope that you love the episode as much as I did. I

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learned a lot about her equine work. And there's just a lot

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here for all of us. Please join me in welcoming Mary and here we

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go.

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Hey there, welcome to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

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Maureen Spielman. I started the show to highlight the intuitives

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healers and other courageous women that I've met along my

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listener can apply the wisdom and knowledge to your own life.

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Okay, welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is Maureen

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Spielman, your host. I'm back today with Mary Berg. I don't

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even have a bio to read on Mary, because I know her fairly well,

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I'd say, Mary, I met you through my sister, Kelly Sanders, and

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the two of you live out in Denver. And I think one morning

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when I was visiting Kelly, a few years back, I had a curiosity

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about you. And so Kelly, put together it was like a 6am

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coffee. And we met back by her firepit. And it was just a

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lovely morning, a couple hours, just a juicy conversation right

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off the bat. And then I went and did, I may have been doing at

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the time by coach training. But when I finished it, just want to

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welcome you as a seasoned life coach. And there's other reasons

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you're here today. But I hired you to guide me through the

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process of setting up my business, and worked with you

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for quite a few months to really dig deep dive deep, because I

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was taking it so seriously, I didn't want to leave many stones

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on turned in that process. But I'll say thank you today for

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helping me launch my career and coaching and where I find myself

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today. Wow. Well, thank you and what a wonderful gift. It's been

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to just be able to be with you on that journey. And that was a

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wonderful morning. And

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you and Kelly have such an amazing sisterhood that

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it seems studying that that's how we met. Yeah. Oh,

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definitely. Yeah. And I also Marine, just want to thank you

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for creating the mystical sisterhood. I feel like it's all

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these people that you've invited to the table have come together.

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And it's like we're at a party solving a giant jigsaw puzzle.

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And only it's not one of those jigsaw puzzles where you can

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start with the flat edge and start to build the boundaries.

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And then every thing fell in. It's like this infinite jigsaw

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puzzle of the mysteries of the universe. And it expands to

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infinity in every direction and in multi dimensions. And we're

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all just coming and saying, here's some pieces that I have,

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that I could share, you know, and I don't know if it's true or

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not, but this is what I've experienced. This is what I

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think might be true and just all building this picture together

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and it's just such a delightful oh my gosh, thank you for the

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visual the vision of that and it's true. Because it's pulling

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in everybody has their different kind of specialty their

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experiences what like you're saying what they're bringing in

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and it feels like it's as I've watched it grow, it's pulling in

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some mystic it's it's pulling in a

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Healing, then it's got the application to our lives,

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whether it's in parenting, or, you know, all these different

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uncovering of the spaces that we can actually use these tools,

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like it's, and I was saying to you before we started, I rarely,

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I rarely record two in one day, and I met with a yoga instructor

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this morning. But that's what was coming together in my mind.

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Because as I go through the process of this podcast,

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bringing it into the world, I I don't see a lot before it

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happens, I almost as it occurs, it's coming together, and then

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I'll see. And it's so similar to the puzzle pieces that you're

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saying. And I was just saying to Betsy, who I interviewed this

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morning, that it is by, by bringing in people to talk about

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the different ways, they not only use it in your life, or use

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it in their life, but maybe also teach it in their life, it could

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be just utilize it in their life. But the more times we hear

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it, it allows it to go deeper into one, maybe one particular

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person, or just, it's just amplified in different ways.

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It's just it's like a ping that goes out into the universe. And

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it's sometimes it gets absorbed. I mean, I know that, yeah, a big

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study of the universe and energy and all of that so.

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And well. And you know, the other thing that I think is so

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valuable about what you're doing is that, and you and I've talked

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about this many times before, that there may be hundreds of

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people out there who are delivering essentially the same

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message. But for each one of us, there's one voice that we can,

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you know, that will will really hear the message. And so you

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bring all these voices makes it that much more available to

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everybody, all of us out here to, to come in contact with the

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voice that resonates in our being, and really gets the

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message across. So it's just lovely. Yeah, I love that. I

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love it. It makes me think of, well, I'm thinking already

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thinking of a question like, have you found that in your

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business, but it's really your business and life, that for you,

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if we're just focused on you, that that message or that that

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friendship or that, that it, it just, it gets to the right

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people, they come to you. And I know you're a big believer in

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the trust of the universe? Is that? Yes, I feel like that's

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one of the principles you kind of live by. It is and you know,

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it's also something that comes up in my work with clients a

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lot. And again, it's something that you and I talked about a

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lot that

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when when people are starting their own businesses, especially

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entrepreneurs, and they're they're thinking about how to

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market. And, you know, one of the things I I always encourage

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people is just speak your own voice, because there's someone

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out there who's looking for the morning channel, they're dialing

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their radio, and it's all static until they hit Maureen's voice.

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And those are your ideal clients, your ideal clients are

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going to resonate with your message, you don't have to worry

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about how to find them. They're looking for you. And when they

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hear your message in your authentic voice, they'll be

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there. And and I absolutely trust that and I've seen it time

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and time and time again that I it's no longer a leap of faith.

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It's just something I know.

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Right? It feels like vibration. Yeah, like vibration. It is I

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really truly believe that. Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I we had set out questions we're going to today, I'll say

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to the listeners, we're going to touch upon a bit of Mary's

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background and, and coaching and just life principles that but

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also go into your work with the horses and equine

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therapy. I don't know if that's right therapy. But just for the

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listener, we're going to we're going to dance in both areas

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today. And they're both really fascinating to me.

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Before we when we met last week, we talked about touching upon,

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that that truth that you grew up with, I think you call them

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metaphysical healers around you, and would you say a bit more

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about that store? And actually, I was listening to the podcasts

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that you did with Dina Wiggins, and I loved her phrase about

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rearview mirror wisdom. Because I've lived for a long time with

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this question.

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If I chose this life, if I chose my family, what was it that I

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was seeking? Why did I choose them and and this life

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And, you know, it's only really, through the decades being able

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to look back on the decades and what my choices were, what my

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influences were, and how it all fits together and makes perfect

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sense and, and led me to finding my path my purpose. And, and it

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did I, I really do believe that if I, if I chose my family, and

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I think I did,

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it was because that was a family of generations of

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just very powerful, masterful spiritual, metaphysical healers,

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wow. And especially my dad, and probably the most influential

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person in my life was my great aunt. Grace.

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She was probably my best friend growing up, I was the youngest

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in the family. And so when I was growing up, everybody else was

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off at school, my mom had gone back to work, my dad was already

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working. And so I spent a lot of time alone. And we we had three

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generations in our household and Grace was sort of my caretaker.

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And so I spent hours and hours and hours with her and she was

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just an amazing

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spiritual healer. And so, you know, so much of what I still

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believe today, I really learned from from her in terms of

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learning about the divine, giving me a definition of the

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Divine that truly resonates with me, which is that, you know, the

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universe, the divine God help what however you want to refer

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to it is, is loving, and forgiving, and

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for us, and that we are, in fact, a reflection of that we

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are divine, and we are powerful creators. And the other thing so

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ironic to me all these many years later was how powerful our

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thoughts are, this is what my parents said she taught me is

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that our thoughts and beliefs that then are manifested in our

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actions create our reality. And that we need to, I probably

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would have said, guard our thoughts, not in a hyper

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vigilant way, but in being aware of what our thoughts are, and

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not attaching to and believing everything we think. Yeah, wow,

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and really cultivating

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an awareness of our thoughts, because

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they really do create our reality. And we get to choose

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our thoughts. And that choice, you know, is also so

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foundational to coaching. So it's just as I look back, it's

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ironic and wonderful that this was sort of my grounding in life

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from the time I can remember. It's astounding, it's I'm

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sitting here, you know, I knew some of this, I don't think I've

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ever known about your Aunt Grace.

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It's super impactful. I don't think that many people can say

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that. And so the fact that that became your foundation, and it

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ended up being really the foundation of your life's work

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is incredible. Isn't it? Amazing? Yeah. It's amazing. So

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I can only really see that in the rear view, like Dina said,

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you know, I wasn't aware of it. Sure. At the time, it was just

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my life. It was just my environment was the water that I

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swam in. And, and, you know, fast forward 40 years, and the

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lineage of Coach Training that I was in is saying, We're all

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divine beings, and our thoughts create our reality.

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You know, it's like, wow, okay. This is like a homecoming. Yes,

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I imagine. I know, because you had spent years that's one of

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the things I was wondering if you would talk about today, but

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you had spent years in the ecology field. And, you know,

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how many years did you spend in that? And did you find, were

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there? Were there qualities of this coming through? Even in

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that work? Yeah, in fact, that's another sort of pattern that I

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see in my path was starting with the medical, metaphysical, and

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then going into the world of science. And

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I worked in that field for 30 years, 20 years in my career, in

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ecology, and at the Department of Ecology in the state of

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Washington. But,

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and so many people in my world wanted to make it either or you

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either believe in science and you live by science or

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You are a spiritual person. And that's your truth. And the thing

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is, I never saw that as a dichotomy. And in fact, and I

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love science. And, to me,

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science has a very particular function. And its to its a

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gatekeeper, it says we're only gonna admit, as fact, those

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things that we can measure and test and prove, before we allow

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it into, you know, this little fenced in area that we say is,

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is, is fact. And so many people want to say that until it's

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proven, it's not real, it's woowoo. It's whatever. Well, you

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know, think about it. 20 or 30 years ago, acupuncture was on

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the you we will fringe you know, it was like, oh, right, yeah.

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meridians, chakras. You right? Yeah. Uh huh. Well, now

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insurance companies pay for it. Yes. And it's just because, you

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know, science only goes as far as our technology and our

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ability to measure our environment. And so just because

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we can't yet measure, there was a time when we couldn't, when we

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didn't have microscopes, and we couldn't see microbes, and

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that we couldn't prove, but people believe people had

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intuitions and really, it's, it's intuition. It's thought,

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where science begins, someone has an idea, they think the

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seems like, and that's where hypotheses are generated. And

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that's what you test. And you know, and depending on how the

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test comes out, then you either admit it as as a fact or not,

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but it's really through the unseen, that we bring things

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into the realm of science. And so I've I really see the oneness

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between metaphysics and, and physics and the universal

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truths, that kind of that underlie both I mean, you know,

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people, again, you know, people think it's woowoo to talk about

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everything is energy, but actually, if you look at

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science, everything is energy, everything, everything is atoms,

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it's, it's all electricity, it's positive and, and negative

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charges. And so, so yeah, so maybe that's not so great. Yeah,

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it's just, to me, it's like, what's the argument? You know,

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well, and to when you talk about? Well, first of all, thank

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you for that all that connection of, wow, it starts with

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intuition or itself, it can start with a little ping from

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the universe. And that, that that thing that we call science

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two does go alongside facts, and what we learned in school and

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like, all these things being truth or, you know, for like

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social studies, yes, we can say that those events happened,

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right. So, so their truth. And I see, I think we still see a lot

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of conditioning, and people in that realm where it literally

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feels scary, it feels like to go over there is like wild, but

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what you're saying is it's really not it's, it's all one,

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right? And in both in both science and spirituality and

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academia, there's dogma, in both. And you know, I have a

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dear friend who's part of my sisterhood, and

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she's, she's, she calls herself an atheist, and, you know, is

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that, you know, science is, she lives and breathes by science

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and reason. And I just say, Well, you know, just make sure

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you don't make science or religion, you know, because

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there's as much dogma in the, in the academic and scientific

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realms as there is,

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you know, in in spiritual and religious

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belief systems. So

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it could be comfort zones, right. If you experienced

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something before, you don't know what it feels like. So yeah, but

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that's why these conversations are so good, because we can talk

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about it. I know, one of the questions I had positive to you

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that led to something else I wanted to ask you about was this

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idea because I think there are a lot of people who listen to

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mystical sisterhood, who are pivoting midlife to, you know,

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maybe they've stayed at home, maybe they've been in this one

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career and feel burnout. Maybe they're just starting to open up

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to GE what is my passion and purpose? But Are you a believer

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in pivoting at midlife? How do you feel about that? Well, you

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know, that was my path. That's my story. It's kind of a start

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up.

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So, you know, when people ask me, you know, is this possible?

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It's like, Well, absolutely. And

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and not only is it Poor

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possible, I truly believe that if, if you whatever you pursue

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if you do it with awareness, you know, I mean, my work is all

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about finding your authentic path. And that can look

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different at different points in life. And I mean, I, I made my

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change from, you know, science and administration and public

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policy to coaching at 52. And I am starting my 20th year in

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coaching. So it's amazing. Yes. So, yeah, I, you know, I'm a big

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believer in in following your heart, again, it's a rearview

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mirror wisdom. I didn't start out saying, I'm going to follow

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my heart. I just followed my inclinations. And I tell people

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follow your inclination if you have this yearning.

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To me, that's your heart's calling. And just allow it. And

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you don't have to second guess it or wonder or, you know,

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market test it or

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anything else if, if it is genuinely calling to you? It

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doesn't matter if anyone's done it before, it doesn't matter. In

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fact, I think I may have told you that story about

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when I was going through graduate school, you know,

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anytime you're in school, people are always asking you, what are

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you going to do when you get out? And for three years, I just

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told people, I said, Well, I'm preparing myself for a job that

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doesn't exist. This was long before anybody was talking about

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manifestation or anything. It was not in my consciousness at

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all. It was just something I was saying. I said, Well, I'm

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preparing myself for a job that doesn't exist. I want to be a

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wetland ecologist for the Department of Ecology. And at

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the end of that three years, I, I wrote a letter to the

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Department of Ecology, and I said, Hey, if you're looking for

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wetlands ecologist now or in the future, please give me a call.

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And two weeks later, I got a phone call. And that said, Well,

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as a matter of fact, we're starting up a brand new wetlands

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program. And the first thing we need to do is hire well.

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So I just walked into the job of my dreams. And I didn't get it

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at that point, that that's how it works. Well, it's actually I

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believe, how it works. Yes, that we set an intention. And it's a

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pure intention. And then all we don't have to figure out how

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it's going to come together. All we're responsible for doing is

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taking the actions that only we can take. Yes, yes. I love the

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story. I love and I and, you know, you told me the other day,

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too, about how a little bit of that got seated. And again, I

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was blown away by your age, when like the stage in life, I should

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say, not your age, when you told me that you read the works of a

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nice man. And you said that I think it was like bringing

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dreams into reality. So something even then was sparking

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in view to back in my late teens. Yeah, I mean, my college

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roommates introduced me to her diaries, and that was really, I

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think the beginning. Okay, yeah. I mean, other than my, you know,

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my my childhood upbringing, but that, that idea that we could

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bring our dreams into our waking life. And, you know, she was

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focused a lot on psychoanalysis. But she also did you know, she,

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she dressed her dreams, she painted her rooms. According to

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her dream, she dreamed of living on a houseboat. And she created

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that as

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a period in her life. And I just, it had a huge impact on

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me. And I just in little ways like that I would consciously

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create my life. And you know, that was sort of my looking

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back. Yes. Oh, and I even looked at you. And I thought, like, Oh,

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for sure. You've lived in the Denver area for such a long

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time. And I asked you one day, and you're like, No, I haven't

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been there that long. But I didn't know that that shift that

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you had created for yourself. It was the job before the move. But

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then the move and I just know what magical kind of worlds were

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opened just from the you know, you being in the business group

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of Kelly. And,

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and I wholeheartedly, I want the audience to hear that because I

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know that you always were attracting clients through

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there. You've, you know, when we did our work together, you often

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I think that you used to refer to it as baby steps. Was that

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right? Yeah. And just that idea of putting those dreams into

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reality, speaking them into reality and

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backing them up with the Align to action. And I think that

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that's a super important part of it. And that's one that I

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revisit with myself all the time. It is I mean, vision

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boards are incredibly powerful.

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And if all you do is create a vision board and stick it up on

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your wall, and then just kind of say, well, I wonder why it's not

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happening, you know, but we don't have to that. And the

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thing is, and Mike Dooley says this so well, in all of his

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books, it's

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it's just, it's it's take, we don't have to figure out all the

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house, he calls them the cursive house, all we have to do is take

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action in the general direction of our dreams, and, and the rest

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will come together. I love it. And I've seen it again and again

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and again.

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And actually, it was it was in my former job that I, I was

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brought to coaching. When I was

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I was asked to move and from directing the Toxics cleanup

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program to taking over the air quality program. And then I'm I

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agreed and in doing that, I apologies to anyone who's

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listening to this, who might have been on my management team,

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but I inherited a dysfunctional managing,

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as did my counterpart at the Federal Environmental Protection

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Agency, who was our oversight agency. But she had come from

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EPA Office of Innovation, and she knew about coaching. And she

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suggested that we hire a team of coaches and and work with our,

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to work with our teams independently, and then bring

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them together once they had a common language. And I had

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always been interested in personal development and

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organizational development. But I'll tell you, the

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transformation that I saw in our organizational culture, and the

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animosity that those coaches had been greeted with the first time

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we got together. And then a year later, one of my managers saying

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to one of the coaches, Katherine, can you stay on the

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line? I need you was like, wow. So yeah, you know, when it when

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I got to the point where my my dream job was no longer my dream

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job.

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You know, I hired one of those coaches, and I spent a year with

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her looking at everything I thought I ever thought I might

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want to do, and came down to coaching and it was just another

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one of those, you know, rear view or rear view mirror things

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were just, I can see how you know, it all. Yeah, together.

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And it was from one thing to another. Yeah, that's really

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beautiful. And I think that everything is in that divine

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timing.

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Because I did work around even, you know, I have a gifted friend

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around purpose. And I know that it was seen it was seeding

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who I would become, but I think I wanted, I wanted it at the

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time to turn into something, Let's even say this is five

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years ago or something. And that I would have a lot of self

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frustration, because I couldn't alchemize it. Like, I think I

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was probably thinking about it too much. I was exerting too

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much control about it. And in that rearview mirror, now I can

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see, well, no, that occurred at that time on purpose for you.

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And, and it was an element in your path. So now I understand

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that at the time, I used to, I've said this before, but I

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think in my path.

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I stayed home so many years with the kids that I always was

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feeling it wasn't enough. And I have to say, I just saw, you

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know, my teacher was Dr. Shefali. And she just did an

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Instagram video on this the other day. And it was just such

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affirmation for those who make that choice. Because there is I

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it's just that's probably a testament to the shame that can

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come for any of our choices, right? And not trusting them and

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not but now I can now I can look in trust and if anything, it's

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just like, like a little more aligned action worrying a little

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bit more. So yeah, and you know, I mean, when we tell these

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stories, when, you know, we pick out the themes and it sounds

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like it's all all was just all ones Yeah, Brittany right.

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Without any of these fits and starts and obstacles and bumps

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and

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you know, and

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it hasn't been like that. And

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and I do find Well, a couple things one, I will go through

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these dark periods where where I feel lost.

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Because I've always I don't know why but I've always been someone

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who's had not a good

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All, but some kind of vision of the future that's evolved. And,

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but there are times when I find myself without that, and I feel

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lost. And the first time this happened for me in a really big

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way was actually right before I came to the horses

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and just stopped like I was at the bottom of a dark well.

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And

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I was working with a friend of mine who is a shaman and an

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amazing man. And I was telling him this whole completely lost,

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I felt that he just chuckled. And he said, Neeraj, you're not

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going to think your way out of

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Yeah. And what Yeah, what do you know about that now? Or what do

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you Well, yeah, well, what I learned about that, then is that

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now I still have those dark periods where and I don't mean

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dark necessarily. I, I have also struggled with depression on and

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off my whole life. But when I say dark, I really just mean

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like, black. No, no vision, no sense of where next and yeah,

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like, it's not this, but I don't have a sense of where to go

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next. Well, that that time really kind of taught me that

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that a darkness is not being lost. It's more like being in

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the womb. It's something's gestating. Okay, yeah. And it

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isn't clear what it is yet. So now I can relax more. And just

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know that whatever it is, that's just hating, will eventually

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make itself known. And what you were saying a minute ago, it's

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when I tried to force it.

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That I'm so unhappy. Yeah, I've got that imagery of like, trying

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to fight yourself our way out of that paper bag. Yeah. And that.

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It's a remembering of when we get to those places. I

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appreciate you sharing that. Because I think I think that's

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the human experience. And, you know, you and I have learned

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over the years, the things that we reach for to bring that

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vibration higher. And that's not always possible to access when

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we're lower. But that that what you're sharing is, is is the

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human experience, whatever form that comes for people, and we

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all are human. So Right. Yeah, yeah.

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And it's hard to see that things are for us at times. But we, you

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know, often need to get through that that darkness or the

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density to get to the light again, good work.

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Yeah. So you said that was a dark period before you got into

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your work with horses? First of all, that was

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we've already had this amazing conversation about the work that

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you do, and just the parts of your life are here to be shared.

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And when I reached out to you just a few weeks ago, it was the

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horses I was thinking about, too. So there's just it is the

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both and everything that you're sharing today, which I'm so

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excited about. But I'm utterly fascinated by the work that you

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do with horses. So Mary, how did you get into this work? And

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where would you begin? Oh, gosh, well, that was actually another

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very mystical experience.

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I was in that period of I don't know what's next. And I had had

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a series of experiences of guided meditations where the

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animals were calling. I was not busy telling my friends, the

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animals are calling me because I thought somebody would put me in

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a straitjacket. You know, like, What do you mean, the animals

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are calling you? They were saying you need to me you and I

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would be in conversation with them. And I say, Well, what do

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you mean? Like,

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save your habitat? Like, no, that's important, but that's not

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it. Okay, like, SPCA? No, that's important, but that's not it.

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Okay. Like animal communication, finding. No, that's important,

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but that's not it. And finally, what they said was, No, we have

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wisdom that your kind need. And you get us. We're going to speak

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through you it's not about you know, it's not you adding

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something it's you just being the the vehicle for our wisdom

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to come through. It's like Oh, cool.

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We're live that yeah, you're the conduit. But

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yeah, don't wait that great yet.

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And

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I had gotten reintroduced to horses, it just so happens that

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my, my grandfather, my great grandfather, were harness

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makers, and my dad raised me to love horses. So it just so

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happened.

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So my dad raised me to love horses, but we lived in Chicago.

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And, you know, unless you belong to a country club, really, and

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we didn't.

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That's, that's how I would have written horses. And so I, you

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know, had a few experiences at summer camp of riding horses,

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but I never really got to be with horses.

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And then my first coaching partner bred horses, and

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and so I got to be present for the births of the horses and got

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to be around them and

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but I still didn't put that together with my work or, or

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this, these messages I was getting. And

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so my coach at the time, had just had a miscarriage. And she

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was telling me that she was working with a somatic coach to

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process that experience. And I thought, somatic coaching.

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That's interesting. I wonder what that's about. So I googled

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somatic coaching. And up comes Arianna strazi. At sky horse

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ranch, she's a biologist, she's a horse woman. And she has

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found that

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horses are incredible coaching partners in personal

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development, and that they have wisdom to share with people. And

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I felt like I was at a slot machine and you know, had just

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pulled the arm down and it came up cherries, it's like, you

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know, so I called her and I said, you know, okay, this is

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gonna sound weird, but the animals are calling me and she

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said, Well, that doesn't sound weird to me. The animals are

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calling a lot of people right now. And I said, Okay. And I

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said, Well, could I come down to the ranch, you know, and just

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explore this with you. And I did. And I hope this isn't too

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long a story, but it's,

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um, so I got down there. And the first day, she told me the third

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rules of engagement, which was you can't be mean to the horses.

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And you have to say, whatever it is, you're thinking, because the

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horses demand that whatever is going on inside be apparent on

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the outside you don't you don't they? They demand authenticity,

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they, they require that you'd be congruent inside and outside. So

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what would be an example of that? That if you're scared, so

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you're scared?

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If you're sad, say you're sad. Don't try to pretend. Because to

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a horse, they don't have any judgment. If you're scared,

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you're scared. That's okay. They understand fear. That's amazing.

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So they don't what they can't What's dangerous is if you're

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pretending, because a predator pretense.

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And so any, if you're pretending you're dangerous, and they would

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just assume not be with you. Okay. And they're also very,

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they're incredibly perceptive. I mean, they can read us like a

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book, because it, you know, their survival requires on being

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able to read the energy and the intention of other beings. And

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they're also very opinionated. They're not in a judgmental way,

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but they have they have opinions. And if you pause and

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slow down and actually tune in and listen, they will, they will

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absolutely tell you what they think through

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through their actions.

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And it's, it's hard to explain it's not like we G horse. Yeah,

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this it means that right?

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But in context, it's so clear. Yeah, I'm, I'm wondering, do the

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horses pick the individuals to do this work? I mean, you are

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getting the messages that you had decode. Yeah, but like, and

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do you see

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the qualities of the horses you're describing? Do you see

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any similarities to the way you see the world? Um, well, in

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terms of who chooses who, you know, I, well, I don't know

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about in personal development, whether the

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well, when we're operating in a personal development situation,

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if there's more than one horse, we like to have

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know whatever horse wants to work with the person come

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forward volunteer. And, and if there's only one horse and the

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horse isn't interested, then it's a no thank you, you know,

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and we just don't.

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In the bigger context, I think that one of the reasons that

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horse that makes horses so special to me at least is that

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these are wild beings. I mean, we do have domestic horses, but

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you know, they're originally wild beings. And somewhere in

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our history together,

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a horse decided that a human was worth partnering with her. Yeah,

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I mean, there are other equine zebras don't do you don't

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domesticate a zebra zebras have absolutely no desire to partner

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with a human being. But for whatever reason? Yes. Horses, I

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do believe have chosen us who? Wow.

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You were talking about when we were talking last week about

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this about their biology and the science, some of the science

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roughly that's been done around their hearts? Yeah, there's a

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group called the Heart Math, Heart Math Institute, that.

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And they don't just look at horses. I mean, it's mainly

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looking at humans. And they've done a lot of really excellent

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science, and found that

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the,

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the electromagnetic

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generation of the heart is much more powerful than the brain,

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that there's more

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messages going from the heart to the brain than from the brain to

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the heart. That's for the horses or for No, for humans, for

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humans. Yeah. For humans and, and horses. And so that,

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and the,

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and I'm not I'm not a Heart Math expert. Let me just say that

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right now. But my, how I understand it is that

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one of the aims of Heart Math is to bring our hearts into a

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coherent rhythm. Because there's a certain rhythm that brings

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about is associated with calm and joy, and well being lowered

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heart rate,

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increased endorphins, all kinds of things. Well, that's so

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happens that

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the human heart can be measured about eight or 10 feet, all the

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way around us. A horse's heart, energy, electromagnetic energy,

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if you hook them up to an EKG, is about five times ours. And

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horses just so happen to

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have a congruent heart. Rhythm. Oh, wow. So imagine when you

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put, you know, imagine a human's standing next to a horse, we're

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really standing heart to heart.

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And there's this enormously powerful heart energy that is in

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this congruent rhythm. Yes. And when humans come in contact with

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that rhythm, we tend to be we are influenced by it.

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And I've so many times. And before I knew about Heart Math,

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I would always just be amazed because I've seen men and women

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walk into a round pen with a horse. And tears start flowing

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from their eyes, or it's just like this heart opening. So

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there's that in terms of, you know, what makes them great

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learning partners is just getting us out of our heads and

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into our hearts. I always say that, for the first 40 years of

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my life, I live from the head up, it was all the the reward

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was all in having the right answer and using your powerful

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brain and all that. And that coaching got me into my heart.

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It got me in in dialogue with my heart to actually where it was

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actually something that I could say, Okay, tell me, and I could,

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yes, and it was the horses that got me into my entire body as a

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place of wisdom. Yeah, that's amazing that they taught you.

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Right and, and there's somatic beings I mean, they experienced

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the world with their entire

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being and you know, one of the things that you you learn if you

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train to work partner with them in

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And

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in any kind of human development, you mentioned

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equine therapy. The horses are the same no matter what the

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modality the horses just are, who they are. And the wonderful

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thing about it is that

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in partnering with them, you can take it into any domain, whether

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it's horsemanship or

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psychology, therapy, even physical healing hippotherapy,

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or coaching. And the particular

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brand of training that I had was called equine guided education.

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Where the horse is the guide, the horse is not a tool, the

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horse is a partner and not just a partner dog guide.

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Where you really look to them for for their insight. Okay.

Unknown: 00:45:57

Yeah, would you be able to break down for me and the listener?

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Like, who comes to you to then engage in the equine guided

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therapy? And what is it? What does it look like when you're

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actually working in a session? I'm really the same people who

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would come to you for coaching anyone who's interested in

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personal spiritual development.

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Now, let me just say, I wish I were offering it right now.

Unknown: 00:46:30

Yeah, I, I, I offered it until we moved here to Colorado. And I

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hope to do it again, starting in 2024.

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And it looks like any other coaching session, except that

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the, the client is in an enclosure with a horse with a

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little bit of training in how to be safe around the horse and how

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to, and that's also, you know, I'm looking out to make sure

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that that that person is safe, I'm trained to know when, you

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know, the horse is concerned.

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And, you know, when it could,

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when there could be a safety issue,

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although it's rarely anything dramatic, but um, and so it's

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really a three way conversation. The horses there for the client,

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the horse is there with me. And

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you would ask the same questions that you would ask in a in a

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coaching session, what the person, you know, wants to work

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on. Yeah, and, and there's just an exchange, and the horse

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has a lot of different responses to the conversation. And I

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really think that what they're tuning into is that the energy

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and the intention and the emotion and the feeling. And I

Unknown: 00:48:00

do have to say, though, that there are times when I'm, I just

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have to sit, they understand what we're saying, yes. They

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understand exactly what we're saying. I mean, they speak

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English, I don't know how they do. They speak whatever language

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we're, whatever it is, they understand what we're talking

Unknown: 00:48:20

about, and more. Wow. And, yeah. So that's why they're so

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valuable, because they pick up on stuff that a client might not

Unknown: 00:48:30

reveal to me in a coaching conversation. For months, it

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might take us weeks, to really get to what's really going on

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for them.

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A horse just cuts right

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through it. And and humans tend to respond. I think it's partly

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this, the Heart Math aspect of things, but also, you know, the

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whole archetype of the horses, they're beautiful, they're

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powerful, they're fast, they're graceful.

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They're soft, they're beautiful, they're yummy. And who, who

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doesn't want the horse to be accepted by a horse and have

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them come up? And, you know,

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and so,

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and the only way you're going to get that from a horse is if you

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are authentic. Yes, yes. And I always say horses have laser

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bullshit detectors for them. And so, and they don't have any

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judgment, they just want you to be real. They don't care what it

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is. They just want you to be real about whatever it is. Yes.

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And so so people respond by just dropping their masks and getting

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to the heart of the matter so much faster than they would

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without your presence that I can do your description and teaching

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around this. I can really hear that.

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That

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people

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because they

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And visually see, like, as if we're just meeting human to

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human person to person. And we're not ready to reveal yet

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the other person was okay, you know, will afford you some time

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and how many sessions it takes you to feel safe or

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what have you. But I could hear that, like, the client in this

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situation, they drop into the heart space really, really

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quickly. And I get like it's a resonance in a coherence. And

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you know, the very amazing yeah. And they do have an uncanny

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sense for actual

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circumstances that are going on in a person's life that are not

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present in the internet space or not, at the time,

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I think I may have shared with you about the client who asked

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me to come and work with her with her horses, about her

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business, she had a business decision, there was a colleague

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who wanted to go into business with her. And she, and that's

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how she presented it to me with as a decision. Well, horses are

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really great when you're, when you're at a choice point,

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to partner with them. Because, again, you know, we tend to make

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decisions on what we think we should do, or what we're afraid

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of, or, you know, all these other different things and, and

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to deliberate in the presence of a horse is to get really clear

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on what it is your heart is calling you to do. In this case,

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it went into a whole different realm, which is, you know,

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she's, I have to make this decision about my business. And

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she she had two horses, and she wanted to work with both of

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them. And

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one was to her left, and one was to her right one was a buckskin.

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And he was just there, steady Eddy holding the space. And the

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horse. To her left was a bay. And so she's talking to me about

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her business and the choices that she has to make. And I'm

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asking her questions about this than that. And, and the buckskin

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is just standing there while the bay is pulling the scrunchie out

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of her hair and pulling on her.

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undressing her and very intimate, very intimate, very

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intimate, and I'm looking at this and I'm going wow, okay.

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And again, it's not lychee horror. So I say you know what's

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going on with your bay horse? Oh, he's just mouthing. And I

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said, well, over here. It's like he's undressing you.

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And she was like, Oh, okay. Now, what she's willing to share is

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that this business decision that she's working through is

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actually a romantic decision.

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And it's about whether to leave the buckskin, who represents her

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husband, for the business associate, who wants to be in a

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romantic relationship with?

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Well, she had no intention of sharing that with me. That's

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incredible. You just want to you know, she was making it about a

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business decision. Yeah, I was taking that at face value. And,

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but in the presence of the horse, it's like, Whoo, yeah.

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Now, I can't explain to you how that came about. That's

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incredible. Mystery. That's why this I know, this is part

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because we've never really talked deeply about your work

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with the horses. And the, that's the magical aspect of it is just

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there's some deep knowing and intuition and they will do

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whatever it takes to somehow Express reflect to you what the

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real issue is. I love it. And it's just staggering,

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right? Because you were saying the thing about zebras, but you

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said the other day, no one's domesticated them. So yeah,

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there is a magic here and doing the full circle to our puzzle

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pieces. The horses certainly get a few. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Who knows how it works, but I know I know. That's a mystery

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and that's it to me. It's okay. That it's a mystery. It's a

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magical experience to witness and be a part of, yeah, kind of

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as we we finish up today. What is it that you feel when you

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finish this session? For the for the most part with the horses

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like is your heart so full? Do you just feel just it's

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otherworldly

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gratitude, just

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that I that I've just experienced that it's just a

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horrible one once in a lifetime kind of experience and they're

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never this

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ain and I think the other is just before a session, I always,

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you know, I have a little anxiety, you know, I hope, I

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hope it all comes together. And all you have to do is just trust

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and be open and just step back. And you know, the horse has got

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this is like, you know all.

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Absolutely. And for the time that you've that you've had to

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take off or have taken off.

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I'm sure you miss it. I do. Yeah, I do. It's very, very

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special. And I just wish everyone could experience that.

Unknown: 00:55:40

Oh, me too. I know. I go. Yeah, it sounds it sounds magical. And

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it's on my, I don't always use the word bucket list, but I'm

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gonna put it on that list for sure. There you go.

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As we finish up today, Mary, is there anything else that you

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want to share with the audience or that comes to mind for you? I

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guess just that

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what I, what I see as sort of my, what my role in terms of my

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path is to be an ally, with people to discover our infinite

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creative power. That, that, for me, it's one of the great

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lessons that we get to learn here in Earth school is

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how very powerful we are. And, you know, I feel like a neophyte

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I feel like a kindergarten in this regard in terms of really

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understanding how energy how to harness energy, and, you know,

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but this idea that we are divine beings, that we are powerful

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creators, that that's what you know, that's one of the things

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there is to explore is really, how, how infinite our

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possibility is that there really are, are no limits. If, if, if

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we're willing to do the work, and take the action and all the

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rest. Yeah, that that we're just incredibly Yeah.

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Powerful, and that there's really, so much more that's

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available to us than than we normally allow ourselves to

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believe. Now, I think that's true. And I And I'm grateful for

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your ability to be such a clear channel for that message. That

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adds, I really, I do think you, you really

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say it so clearly.

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That it just, I don't know, it rings true to my ears. And it's

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so full of possibility and hope for what what is to come in our

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lives. I mean, the shifts that you've taken in the last 20

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years is just like, it's, it's all so incredible. And you're

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only just beginning.

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And it's just I get to see and what other Oh, my gosh,

Unknown: 00:58:19

absolutely. And I was good before you share where to find

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you is that I really appreciate your sense of playfulness, too.

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And I think that that's when we can open ourselves up to that

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that conversation, and that field of infinite possibilities.

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It becomes the playground and it becomes I think Heather Hansen

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said, the sandbox, and just a place to play. Because it's so

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important to bring in those elements to that that light and

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the levity, and yes, it's another gift of Mike Dooley as

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he's so played. Yes, yeah. I'll definitely put a link to his

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work in the show notes because I love him and his notes from the

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universe from taught. So yes. Okay. Well, Mary, where can

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listeners find you? Mary berg.com. Okay. All right. Yeah.

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Great. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much

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for having me. Maureen. You're well, I Yeah. I love to be with

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you. Yes, me too. And thank you to the listeners for being here.

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