27: Tuning Into The Vibration Of Healing With Jenna Brocious

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Hi and welcome back to mystical sisterhood.

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This is your host, Maureen Spielman. And today I sit down

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with Jenna brooches. This is a super fun spirited conversation.

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Jenna is a spiritually intuitive guide. And we talk about Janice

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past coming from trauma, and how she overcame adversity that she

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experienced early in her life. It's a really honest and raw

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conversation. And how it were was that, you know, trauma and

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what she had gone through as a young person that really led to

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her healing and transformation as an adult. And so we had a lot

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of fun. We laughed a lot. There's a lot of inspiration

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here. And I think that you're really going to enjoy it. So

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please listen to the episode and share with a friend if you feel

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called. See you in the episode. Hey there, welcome to mystical

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mystical sisterhood.com See you in the episode.

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. I'm very excited

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today to be sitting with Jenna Rocha, as I always like to say,

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where someone came to me. And it was through a networking group

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I'm part of called Pay mama. And

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Jenna's PR rep came to me and said, Hey, I think that you

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would be a great fit for Jenna and vice versa. So I said a big

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yes to that. I think that you as the listener are going to just

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lean into Jenna's story, I'm just wide eyed why to eared to

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find out what we're going to talk about to because it's going

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to be it's full of like, almost like magic and mystery and awe,

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like this space that we're creating today. So welcome,

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Jenna, I'll first say a big welcome to you.

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Thank you, I'm already in tears that we haven't even

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begun.

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Yeah, I love that a space for vulnerability.

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And just to the right there. Just be with the emotions. And

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for us and for the listeners to know whatever comes. It's just

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always welcome. And just when when we're held in that safe

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space, that's when I think that magic can occur.

Unknown: 00:03:10

Absolutely, I totally agree.

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So I love how your website says I just had

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written down, that Jen has mission and true purpose in life

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is to help heal and spread more love to others. She loves to

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speak about the wisdom from lessons she has had to live

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through and overcome. Life is not always easy, but how we

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handle the situation dictates what comes next. Plus, knowing

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her faith, and God will carry her through. You can feel her

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love and dedication to this work of helping others and Jenna's

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energy is infectious. And so you know, this wide welcome. And

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just with me offering that which is from your website, where do

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you think is the most important place to begin?

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Well, I think that all of the trauma and all

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of the heart ache, and all of the things I had to endure have

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actually led me to the most beautiful place in my life. And

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that is here right now where I get to share my story. And I get

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to help heal and spread more love is such a personal thing.

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If I'm able to help somebody, and they're able to heal

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themselves, which is so important for them to heal

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themselves. And then that healing really opens up more

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love for yourself and for others. And so I love being able

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to talk about stuff like this, because I think we all at the

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end of the day are more alike than we allow ourselves to

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realize. And so I think it's so cool that we can sit here

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together as two women and share our stories, and still have love

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and compassion for each other because I think those things

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lack a lot these days. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. And that remark of that we're more alike

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than we're not. That's the one thing as I was just told by an

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astrologer, like how deeply empathic or empathic wasn't the

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word was like, the way that I am in this lifetime is very, very

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emotional. And, and I kind of, I tend to lead with emotions, I

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tend to go there quickly. But in my life that wasn't always

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welcome. Or maybe I was told that that you know, you know, to

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quiet down or hide it. And so I also learned as I'm kind of

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wondering, you know, when you first it came to light for you

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that it was coming from within you within you that there was

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healing to be done. Because, for me, it was at a really young age

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where I felt a misalignment where I felt inner conflict

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where I felt a lot of disconnection. But then it took

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me even though I was taking steps towards it, it took me

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decades to get there. And for me, it ended up in a wake up

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call, but I'm wondering for you, like, when did you know? Was it

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when you were younger? Did things happen in your life that

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led you to this heart opening? Yeah, so.

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Um, so I always knew what was going on around me as a

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child was not normal or okay. But I really didn't start my

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journey of healing until I got pregnant. And I'm the oldest of

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three. And I thought maybe for the first time ever, my mom was

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going to actually step up to the plate and be a mother because I

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was pregnant. And this was such a beautiful thing to be

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celebrating. And I just got disappointed every time she

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didn't call or she didn't ask the right questions. And so my

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husband, one day just goes, you can't hold her to an expectation

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she never agreed to. And the light bulb in my head just went

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off because my mom was 22, and didn't really want to have me

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but she had no other option at that point in time in her life.

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And so she didn't really agree to be a mother, she got thrown

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into the life of it all. And so when she didn't show up in the

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grandmother way that I had hoped, I really had to look at

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the whole story all over again. And that's what Cav catalyst did

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all of the healing. And it's been eight years of this

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journey. And I just had a big breakthrough last week that was

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still attached to her. And I'm like, How does this keep

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unfolding? And does the unfolding never stop? I'm

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unsure.

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I don't think it does. Because there's so much

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on layering. It's fascinating that that message came through

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your husband of like, wow, you know, reality check, or whatever

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you call it here. But then that you were open to the self

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reflection of Wait a minute, what about what am I what am I

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misunderstanding here? Or what Am I misinterpreting? So did

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that then lead you to like, wait a minute, is there parts of my

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past year to be reconciled? Or what was the beginning of that

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path? You know, it kind

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of halted at that point in my pregnancy. But I think

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once I became a mother, and I realized how much I loved this

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little person, I almost got angry at my mom all over again.

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Because I was like, how could you have done and put me through

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the things you had put me through, if you loved me the way

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I love my son. And so I really had to start working on myself

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because the anger I wasn't going to allow to take over. And so I

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had to start the journey. And so it was slow steps and slow. And

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you know, you kind of get a little bit more comfortable in

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the world of healing and how to figure out how to heal yourself.

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And you find the right people to help you guide you along the

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way. And I feel very blessed because I, I don't want to live

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in anger or hurt. I want to live in happiness and joy and love

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and forgiveness and compassion. That's truly where I want to

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live. And those are the words that I have for my mother today.

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Because when I look back at her childhood, she had a horrible

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hard childhood as well. So she you know, she wasn't raised by

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the best people ever on the planet and then decided to make

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a bad decision with me. She did the best with what she had

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before. So,

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so true. And I think that when sometimes when

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we talk about our paths, people can say, well, they were, like,

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almost defensive of their parents. And I think when we put

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out there like it's all okay, it's not, it's not in judgment,

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that we're coming to our paths, because you're right, they were

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they were doing the best they could. And it doesn't mean that

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we deprive ourselves of the healing that wants to come from

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that. Does that make sense?

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100% Yes. 100% Yeah, it's actually an issue in my

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family because I am speaking about my childhood. I have a

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couple of family members that are not pleased with me because

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of it. But you know, I don't care because I feel 100% I'm in

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the right place doing the right thing right now. And so I move

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forward with whatever my heart tells me to do.

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And what you were just talking about, like

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those, the joy, the happiness, the abundance, those kinds of,

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they feel like they're almost like a Northstar to you. Like,

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I'm, that's a non negotiable for me, I'm going there and I'm

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gonna I, I always feel like with this kind of work and what we're

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called to do, I always feel like it's a magnet pulling me forward

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almost from my heart center where we you can't do you, we

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could try to deny it right. And we could try to just like not do

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what you're being called to do. But it does feel like a non

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negotiable?

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Well, I think they make and I say they spirit God,

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whatever we want to call it, I feel like they will push you or

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get your attention until you really sit down and focus on it.

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That was at least my example. I just like they were throwing it

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in my face until I couldn't deny the spirituality that I had not

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known about before. And so I'm I love I like have gratitude to my

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angels and spirit guides all the time for having made it so

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obvious of what I needed.

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Well, we talk a lot about that on this podcast

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is that the whatever you call it, whatever. It's the the

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inner, the inner guidance, the outer guidance, some people say

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it's that that through line like it's, it's, it's one in the same

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it's and if we talk about I was just reading last night about

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how we are that microcosm in ourselves of the macrocosm of

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the universe. And so it's that I was reading about shadow work,

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and that we have all the parts inside of us, even the parts

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that drive us crazy about other people, they actually exist

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inside of us. And that kind of reminds me like when you it

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feels like you haven't said much about the journey with your mom,

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but that you are able, I think what I hear you saying is you

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are able to put compassion there now more understanding where in

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the beginning, I almost feel like we have to work through

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those raw emotions, whether they're anger or resentment or

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just rage even that wants to come out of us.

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Yeah. And I think that that's part of the journey as

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well. And if we don't hold space for that we're missing out as

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well. I think the anger and the frustration is something that I

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also don't want to boil up within me. So I appreciate those

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years of that hatred and that anger and that rage. I'm just

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grateful that I was able to get to the other side, because the

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other side is way better.

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Yeah, because you can people can get stuck for

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a lifetime, and not kind of ever fulfill that kind of part of

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their soul contract. Now, you know, Jenna, what you went

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through as a young child? Is that something that you want to

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go into? So people have that relational point? Or, you know,

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how does that feels to hear? Yeah, I

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mean, I'm, I'm an open book, because I again, I feel

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like it's part of my purpose to share the wildness that I

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occurred that occurred. And so I just, I'm not ashamed of it. I,

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I am very strong because of it. And so you may ask us many

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questions.

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Yeah, I don't know. What do you what was your

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experience of your childhood? I guess I just ask it broadly.

Unknown: 00:13:30

Totally. Um, so I was raised by a single woman who was

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22. And she had me. Let's see, I didn't know who my father was

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until the age of 36. So that was always a really hard point. For

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me. My mom has been married multiple times. And at one

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point, she was with a motorcycle gang member, which was quite

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interesting to say the least I was exposed to more things than

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I hope most children are exposed to. But you know, she was a

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narcissist and an alcoholic and she lost custody of both of her

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other two children because the their fathers took them away

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from the situation and I was left behind. And it was it was

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an easy she wasn't she would bring men home and I'd have to

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listen to it all night. And, you know, I still have triggers

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every once in a while that really throw me for a loop

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because I thought I've overcome and I haven't. Yeah, it's it's

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an interesting story. The the motorcycle gang part is the most

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fun because the cops were staked out across the street from the

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clubhouse. So the gang members would go through the back door

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and hide their bikes in the secret room and all the women

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and children would go through the front and we'd wave at the

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cops across the street and then go in and I mean, I the man my

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mom was with is in jail for murder now, but that was like,

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who I hung out with for two and a half years every single day

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and my mom thought that that was okay, so I would just never put

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my own child in that situation, but I know better.

Maureen Spielman: 00:14:59

So Absolutely. And so when you were that child,

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what age comes to mind? Was it when you're below 10? Are you I

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mean, the first time.

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The first time I saw my mom physically abused or pushed

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through a glass table was five years old. And I think that

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changed everything for me. So that was, that was like the big

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pivotal moment. It's funny actually, I bet my stepdad the

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night that he threw my mom through a glass table, and I

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just met up with him recently. And he still has the bite marks

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on his arm from where I met him.

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Yeah, well, I imagined that that was just such

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self protection, like just that animal instinct. Yeah, and it's

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such compassion for her to the I don't know if I read that in

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some of your stuff. But just like the, the young, your, I

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don't know how you refer to it like the inner child. But going

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back to that young, but we can talk about how you got there.

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But just so much compassion, we can have you that we can have

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for that little girl that endured so much, what would you

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say? You know, how they talk about how when we are exposed,

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and everyone is in some way, shape, or form to whatever is in

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their household or in their environment, but how we develop

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the mask or the survival self or the ways to cope and survive?

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How did that show up for you? What did little Jenner kind of

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take on?

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Well, I was very lucky because I had a grandmother that

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would spoil me and take me shopping every year before

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school. And it didn't take me until I was older to realize

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this. But if we had a really bad night at home, or the cops were

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called, or I had to call the cops, whatever the situation

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was, I would always go to school the next day in my best outfit.

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But because that was my way of masking, whatever had happened

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at home, I'm going to show up at school and I'm going to look

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perfect, like nothing happened. And I'm just going to keep

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moving along. And so I've found that to be the case, which I

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didn't know but I still love to wear great outfits. It's just no

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I wear them whenever I want and not dependent on what.

Maureen Spielman: 00:17:04

Yeah, but when you look back and you see that,

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so it was sort of like okay, if I look perfect on the outside,

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no one can touch what's going on in my home. 100 Yeah, were you

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kind of did you go through the motions too? Did you become a

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people pleaser? Or quiet your voice down? How did that show I

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was

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I was a big people pleaser because I never wanted

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to go home. So I would be people pleaser at my friend's houses, I

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would clean up our messes. I would like make sure everything

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was perfect. I would be perfect. I had manners I would, you know,

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I would sit so quietly so I did it in the in the way of not

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wanting to go back to the chaos I would try and stay as long as

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I could in other places. So but I didn't also recognize that for

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many, many years that I was a people pleaser in that way.

Maureen Spielman: 00:17:54

Yeah. And did you see that it will kind of

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like go like back and forth. But I've seen that in a few people

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in my life where that even into adulthood, the urge, I guess, to

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leave the home environment and be out of the house. It's almost

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like even if the house is healthy now it's an ingrained

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thing to be out of the house to avoid I guess like possible

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intimacy like if you if you now have a healthy environment, but

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it makes total sense that you would want to be out of the

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house and to be an almost like, it's almost like to create your

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little perfect world as much as you could.

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I mean, I did every after school activity that was

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free I did anything that I possibly could to never go home

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because I didn't want to be there because I never knew what

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I was walking into. So you know, you'd before I'd go home I'd

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have to like almost put my armor back on and like pat myself up

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to be like okay, whatever we walk into will be safe, we'll go

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in our room, we'll do whatever it takes to kind of just avoid

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the chaos at all costs.

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And did that kind of continue for you through

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your teenage years then to

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um, you know, once I got a car I had my own freedom

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and I got a job and then I had my own money my mom really

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didn't care what I did 16 And on because I was almost like a less

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of a liability at that point. So she I had a curfew of midnight

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even though my mom was never home at midnight. I had a curfew

Unknown: 00:19:25

of midnight. Nobody was there. I was on time but I still showed

Unknown: 00:19:29

up on time what I was told I follow the rules even though

Unknown: 00:19:33

nobody else follow the rules. I don't know why just part of my

Unknown: 00:19:36

personality.

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:37

Right? It's um, right. It's It's ironic that

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:41

you had the the, you know, 12 o'clock curfew, but it also

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:45

makes sense that you would want to follow it and just kind of

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:49

color within the lines in those years just because I'm gonna say

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:55

because you had to deal with so much chaos that was out of your

Maureen Spielman: 00:19:59

control. All. And yeah, so then did you end up? Just going into

Maureen Spielman: 00:20:06

the workforce? Did you go into college? What happened to you

Maureen Spielman: 00:20:09

when you kind of move through your late teens early 20s.

Unknown: 00:20:12

So I got very lucky, I had an amazing high school

Unknown: 00:20:17

sweetheart and his parents knew what was going on in my

Unknown: 00:20:20

household. And so I really stayed at their house a lot, my

Unknown: 00:20:23

senior year in freshman year of college, and then I had a

Unknown: 00:20:26

girlfriend come down to Arizona, and she's like, Jenna, you're

Unknown: 00:20:29

not gonna believe it. You have to come to Arizona. And I was

Unknown: 00:20:32

like, okay, so I went down for spring break. And it was snowing

Unknown: 00:20:36

in Spokane when I left, and I arrived in Arizona, and it was

Unknown: 00:20:39

80 degrees, but palm trees and cute boys. And I was like, Sign

Unknown: 00:20:43

me up. I'm leaving. So I worked one summer, and I saved as much

Unknown: 00:20:47

money as I could. And I left Spokane, Washington, and I have

Unknown: 00:20:51

never looked back. I worked three jobs when I was 19. I

Unknown: 00:20:55

mean, I hustled for years, but you know what it was my hustle.

Unknown: 00:21:00

It was my environment. It was my experience. Nobody else had

Unknown: 00:21:04

control over anything going on around me. So it was like the

Unknown: 00:21:08

greatest freedom that if I had to work five jobs, I wouldn't

Unknown: 00:21:11

have cared because it was my own. I was so blessed. And I

Unknown: 00:21:15

don't take any of those years back either. Because they were

Unknown: 00:21:17

like, they also build me up to be who I am today. So it was all

Unknown: 00:21:21

worth it. So it was all worth it. Once we get

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:24

Oh, no kidding. But that's really,

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:28

really cool and admirable, admirable those years where you

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:31

went, and again, reflecting on the the possibility that the

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:37

universe kind of sent to you like, oh, my gosh, your

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:39

girlfriend invites you down. And then the choice that you had,

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:43

because I always think about things in choice points, too,

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:45

right? You could have seemed like it was a really pivotal

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:48

point for you to either have gone back home, or created

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:52

something new for you. So that actually started for you at you.

Maureen Spielman: 00:21:57

That's remarkable, I think because you started to kind of

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:00

do some change. And I know you're still young, but like at

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:03

a young age, and we don't always see that because I might be I

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:07

don't even know how many X years older than you. But my

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:11

generation mate, maybe that's changing as we go down, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:14

know, where people are waking up a little bit younger? I don't

Maureen Spielman: 00:22:17

know. Any thoughts on that?

Unknown: 00:22:20

Yeah, I just think that for me, I had to create a

Unknown: 00:22:24

boundary with her because she was still pushing the boundaries

Unknown: 00:22:28

with me, even though even though she knew better, like perfect

Unknown: 00:22:34

example, freshman year of college, I'm about to take my

Unknown: 00:22:37

first Final and I disliked tests a lot. And the night before my

Unknown: 00:22:41

first test, she called me at 2am from the jail sale gel, asking

Unknown: 00:22:47

me to bail her out because she beat the shit out of her ex

Unknown: 00:22:50

husband's girlfriend. And I was like, you obviously have no

Unknown: 00:22:54

understanding of me trying to build myself up to be something

Unknown: 00:22:57

bigger and better because all you care about is me bailing,

Unknown: 00:23:00

you want to jail and not my college chest. And that was like

Unknown: 00:23:03

the big pivotal moment for me to be like, Su, I gotta get out of

Unknown: 00:23:08

here. Because if I don't get out now, this will be the rest of my

Unknown: 00:23:12

life. And I'm not going to allow her to control how I move. And

Unknown: 00:23:17

so I just did whatever I could and talk about the universe

Unknown: 00:23:21

working in my favor. I met someone that summer that was

Unknown: 00:23:25

going back to Arizona, so I literally caught a ride with

Unknown: 00:23:28

somebody to Arizona, I just packed all everything I could in

Unknown: 00:23:31

his car and went down there. And I you know, I just I had no idea

Unknown: 00:23:36

what was gonna happen or if I was gonna go home one day or

Unknown: 00:23:38

what, but I wasn't gonna sit around and wait to find out what

Unknown: 00:23:41

happens next. I had to take control for myself. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:45

When you think about how, just when we talk

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:51

about that internal healing, and how when we're raised in chaos,

Maureen Spielman: 00:23:57

or the what feels what can feel like abandonment or trauma, I'm

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:04

thinking of all these different words. We do sever our

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:08

connection, and we can go back and talk about attachment to but

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:12

how did that kind of that disconnection from your mom, you

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:16

didn't have your dad in the house Young? Did that. Was that

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:20

starting to show up as you got older in your internal state of

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:25

like, Did it feel? Or how did it feel to you? I guess I would say

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:28

your internal state what was you know, you said that thing about

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:31

when you went to have your first child and kind of your wake up

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:34

around then. But did you know within your own like

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:38

psychological makeup or for your that emotionally, things were

Maureen Spielman: 00:24:44

felt out of alignment for you?

Unknown: 00:24:47

You know, I have to say that God was really good to me

Unknown: 00:24:49

because I always had great people in my life at pivotal

Unknown: 00:24:55

moments. The first two husbands that my mother had, were

Unknown: 00:24:58

actually really great men. And she was just a psycho, crazy

Unknown: 00:25:03

pants. And so I think she hit it really well in the beginning,

Unknown: 00:25:07

and then it would unfold over time and it would explode. But

Unknown: 00:25:11

both of those men were great men, I speak to one of them

Unknown: 00:25:14

today often, um, and I had a really great best friend through

Unknown: 00:25:18

elementary school whose parents were very kind to me, and I

Unknown: 00:25:21

still speak to them. I think God just put really good people in

Unknown: 00:25:24

my life at special times to really hold me close. And I

Unknown: 00:25:30

never felt alone. i My mom and I, I believe my mom abandoned me

Unknown: 00:25:35

a long time ago. And not even that she knew she was doing it.

Unknown: 00:25:38

She was just being selfish and doing whatever she wanted. But

Unknown: 00:25:42

there were other people in my life that really held me close

Unknown: 00:25:45

and allowed my feelings to be heard and seen. So I have a lot

Unknown: 00:25:49

of gratitude for that. When I'm lucky. I consider myself lucky

Unknown: 00:25:53

still.

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:54

Yeah, no, I It's, it's, it's great to have

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:57

those beacons of wisdom. And so that makes me think that into

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:04

this lifetime, you brought a lot of wisdom with you. And it's, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:10

feel like it allowed you to, even with the storms that were

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:14

going on around you, this is just my feeling is that you were

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:17

able to move through. Like you're saying, to get to the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:20

point where you're sitting today to share your story. So when you

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:24

started going down, like oh, there are things to heal here.

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:27

Did what did you start practicing new things and

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:30

pulling new ways of looking within into your life? And

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:33

what's what's been most present or meaningful? You can it can be

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:39

many things?

Unknown: 00:26:42

Um, well, I think we're gonna go down the woowoo. We're

Unknown: 00:26:46

going whoa, now, okay, so I'm not my husband. And our

Unknown: 00:26:52

grandmothers passed away within a couple months of each other.

Unknown: 00:26:55

And both of us loved our grandmothers, because they took

Unknown: 00:26:58

such good care of us. And they, we had special relationships.

Unknown: 00:27:01

One of the things I loved about my husband is that he had such a

Unknown: 00:27:03

great relationship with his grandmother. But once I met my

Unknown: 00:27:06

husband, my spiritual journey actually begun because I started

Unknown: 00:27:10

seeing ghosts and spirits and angels and things were showing

Unknown: 00:27:15

up that I had never seen before. And so like I said earlier, how

Unknown: 00:27:19

it was just kind of thrown in my face, and I had to see it, they

Unknown: 00:27:21

were doing everything they possibly could to get my

Unknown: 00:27:24

attention. And I really think that was the catalyst to

Unknown: 00:27:28

starting all of my healing small in small increments. My I went

Unknown: 00:27:34

to somebody in Sedona, and they said that, why do you have two

Unknown: 00:27:38

clocks? What are the two clocks and I was like, Oh, my husband,

Unknown: 00:27:41

and I have our grandmother's clocks, those, that's the only

Unknown: 00:27:43

thing either one of us asked for from our grandmothers was their

Unknown: 00:27:46

clocks, which is a very random thing to ask for, by the way.

Unknown: 00:27:49

And she was like, Oh, the two of them in heaven coordinated your

Unknown: 00:27:53

timing. And I was like, like, how do you? How do you do that?

Unknown: 00:27:57

Mild, but really, that spiritual journey just opened me up to so

Unknown: 00:28:02

much more. And then it just really started seeing people

Unknown: 00:28:08

digging deeper, realizing what I went through is part of this

Unknown: 00:28:12

journey. You know, I just thought it was like who I was.

Unknown: 00:28:15

And it was my story. But then once I started to, like, get

Unknown: 00:28:17

into it, I was like, Oh, I'm really strong. And I overcame a

Unknown: 00:28:22

lot. And look at me now. And if I can do that, I can move

Unknown: 00:28:26

forward even faster, and harder and stronger. And so it's just

Unknown: 00:28:31

like, unfolded in little increments that I don't even

Unknown: 00:28:35

know how to describe to be honest, yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:37

no, but just the good friend of mine. She was

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:41

on the podcast, she's an intuitive and a channeler. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:46

she was said to me, Maureen, when these things happen, like

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:51

the two grandmas doing this timing together, it's actually

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:55

like they're working really hard on the other side to make that

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:57

happen. And you can imagine, you can like, oh, you know that

Unknown: 00:29:00

that truce bumps? Right.

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:02

So, so that reminds me. Okay, so um, what I

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:06

what I'm hearing you say is that you almost like had these

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:10

downloads or these, maybe your field started to be more open.

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:15

And so then you began to receive messages and guidance, and it

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:20

allowed you to tap into yourself more. And I noticed that on just

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:25

the what Courtney had sent me about the interview topics was

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:28

just the this idea of how life is working in our favor. I think

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:34

it was on your website, because I don't see it here. But that

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:36

whole idea that life is happening for me or your Montra

Maureen Spielman: 00:29:40

being it's everything's working out something like that, right.

Unknown: 00:29:46

Everything's working in our favor, even when we don't

Unknown: 00:29:49

think it is. And I like I I can't say it enough because at

Unknown: 00:29:56

the end of the day, my childhood was all meant to be because It's

Unknown: 00:30:00

put me right here. You know what I mean? And this is a perfect

Unknown: 00:30:03

example of why I say the things I say is, I was gonna have

Unknown: 00:30:08

Easter brunch, and I invited some people over, and somebody

Unknown: 00:30:11

called the day before, and they're like, Oh, we're going to

Unknown: 00:30:14

do this, and then we'll come over, but we'll be late. And for

Unknown: 00:30:16

me, I'm a big party planner. And I love to have everything like

Unknown: 00:30:18

perfect in my house, and it's an environment and it's fun. And I

Unknown: 00:30:23

got off the phone. And normally, I would have like, freaked out

Unknown: 00:30:26

and lost my cookies, and spewed all this negative energy

Unknown: 00:30:29

everywhere. And I got off the phone, and I was like, this is

Unknown: 00:30:33

gonna work out in my favor, everything's gonna be okay. And

Unknown: 00:30:36

the next morning, they showed up on time, they decided to not do

Unknown: 00:30:39

what they had planned to do. And I'm just curious, I had like,

Unknown: 00:30:43

freaked out and done my normal negative spiral. If they

Unknown: 00:30:47

wouldn't have been on time, you know what I mean. But I think

Unknown: 00:30:50

when we change our attitude into thinking, it's actually working

Unknown: 00:30:53

in my favor, yeah, actually does work in our favor.

Maureen Spielman: 00:30:57

Absolutely. And mine. And to be I like to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:01

in communication. And when those things align, just to be you and

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:07

I were talking before we hit record today, that pulling in

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:11

and I think the listeners really respond to this, like pulling in

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:15

the playfulness, the joy today's the summer solstice, as we

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:19

record this, right. And I was declaring, I cleared some decks

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:24

for myself this summer. And my, my name for the summer is the

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:30

sacred summer. But part of my intention is around receiving

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:34

and being in the feminine, but also being in the play in the

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:38

joy. And we were just talking about that, like, we can do the

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:42

healing work. But then what about can it be let's just ask

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:45

the question, can we have the playfulness and joy in there?

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:48

Are we going to allow ourselves to have that? Are we going to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:31:52

so bogged down by what the old story is?

Unknown: 00:31:56

Well, I think, I mean, this is such I love this topic.

Unknown: 00:32:00

It's my favorite topic. Because I'm such a goofball. Now. And I

Unknown: 00:32:04

think it's just so important to laugh, because like I said, we

Unknown: 00:32:07

can get in that deep, dark, heavy place, and we can get

Unknown: 00:32:10

stuck there. And I've gotten stuck there before. So I know

Unknown: 00:32:14

it's easy to crawl out of. But the thing that one of the if I

Unknown: 00:32:18

could give anybody a little tip or anything, it would be We love

Unknown: 00:32:23

going to comedy shows comedy shows is one of the things my

Unknown: 00:32:26

husband and I'd love to do as a date night thing, because it

Unknown: 00:32:28

just gets us out of our normal environment. And it makes us

Unknown: 00:32:31

laugh, and is there nothing back then cry laughing That is like

Unknown: 00:32:36

top five favorite things for me? Yes.

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:40

It's such a release, I couldn't agree more.

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:43

And it's funny, because someone that I know, she'll know who it

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:46

is, when she listens, she just went, we're right outside of

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:48

Chicago, but to a magic show, like a magic show, I want to go

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:53

to the magic show. And it's ongoing, but I love the comedy

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:56

show, kind of opportunity or possibility to. And I think that

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:03

what I'm learning a little bit about myself and my journey. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:07

like you, I believe vulnerability is where it's at.

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:12

And if we can, I couldn't, hey, these topics that I'm covering

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:18

in this podcast two years ago, forget it. And it's just through

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:21

my evolution. And now I'm like, Oh, we could talk about angels

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:25

and spirit guides and all these things that I would have never

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:27

envisioned I could do that. But I still have that side of me

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:31

that. So that's vulnerable to put out. But I kept myself, this

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:37

is kind of a different side of it in a self imposed, I'm going

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:40

to say jail. Because of some experiences in my life, whether

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:48

they were way in the past or in the last 10 to 20 years, or five

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:52

to 15, whatever. And what I'm realizing is like Maureen,

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:56

you're only perpetrating that against yourself like that. You

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:02

just keep yourself imprisoned. And so it's funny because, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:07

mean, this podcast just started in January, but in a way

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:10

listeners will be on the journey with me because I will sometimes

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:15

put things out about myself and I'm not. I'm like, not afraid to

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:19

say like I was full of resentment at one point, like a

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:23

toxic brew of it. But I also I'm also like, Ooh, is that is that

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:29

like a little to you know, edgy, but I think it's all I think we

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:34

set it before we started taping to is that we're all in this

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:37

together. We're all everyone comes from something we have all

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:43

experienced adversity some, you know, the big T trauma, even if

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:48

it was a little T trauma or neglect or whatever it was. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:53

so I don't know, I'm just one of those people that are gonna get

Maureen Spielman: 00:34:56

real about it. But oh, When I don't have Yeah, well, I was

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:02

gonna say when I don't have myself imprisoned, guess what? I

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:05

can free. The fun Maureen and the playful inherent side of me.

Unknown: 00:35:12

Well, here's the question. Here's the question

Unknown: 00:35:13

for you have the circle of friends you surrounded yourself

Unknown: 00:35:17

with change?

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:20

Yes, I'd say so in a lot came in the form of

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:24

I have my local friends. And when I've gone through my

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:29

coaching programs, it just was like these people that were

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:32

coming together with the shared interest in the shared just the

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:38

way that we can be with each other. And it's ushering in I

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:42

think, like even our conversation today. I think it's

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:45

ushering in a new femininity, maybe even an upgraded one. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:51

where we're really like, we're really in the sisterhood

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:54

together, we're really supporting one another, we

Maureen Spielman: 00:35:56

really, hold on, I always like think about that idea of

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:02

escorting each other souls growth. So I've got your hand as

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:07

much as you have mine, right. And it maybe doesn't even matter

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:10

if we've never met before today. But if we can know in that, and

Maureen Spielman: 00:36:14

just trust in that and surrender to it. It's so beautiful.

Unknown: 00:36:19

Yeah, I've really realized I've had a lot of

Unknown: 00:36:23

relationships just fall to the wayside. And I've had to just

Unknown: 00:36:27

graciously let them go, knowing they weren't serving me any

Unknown: 00:36:30

longer. But I have to be around people that are playful and not

Unknown: 00:36:35

so serious and can take like, you know, the van AC broke, are

Unknown: 00:36:40

we going to sit in here and complain for two hours? Are we

Unknown: 00:36:43

just going to kind of like go on the ride because it is what it

Unknown: 00:36:45

is, we can't do it but I've also the people pleaser came out in

Unknown: 00:36:51

me because I want to be everybody's friend. I want

Unknown: 00:36:53

everybody to like me. And I kind of started to realize that's not

Unknown: 00:36:57

who I am anymore. And I rather have five great friends than 100

Unknown: 00:37:03

Whatever friends, you know, I've really started to like, tighten

Unknown: 00:37:08

up who I really allow in in some ways, because I just don't have

Unknown: 00:37:12

time to waste on people that don't have any interest in

Unknown: 00:37:15

growing or loving or all of the beautiful things that are out

Unknown: 00:37:18

there.

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:19

Does that mean to the word that is coming to my

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:21

mind is boundaries? Have you changed your relationship or

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:26

even learned what one was?

Unknown: 00:37:29

Yeah, I mean, I love boundaries. Boundaries are my

Unknown: 00:37:32

favorite thing. My husband laughs My favorite word is no,

Unknown: 00:37:34

because that's just my instant reaction. Yeah. And he'll come?

Unknown: 00:37:41

Yeah, he'll come back and ask me again, like an hour later, I'll

Unknown: 00:37:43

be like, Okay, I thought about it. And we can do this.

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:47

Right. It's almost like a create. Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:50

create space for you, though. Right, to then be disturbed

Maureen Spielman: 00:37:53

about what? Yeah.

Unknown: 00:37:55

Yeah, it creates the best space but to be honest with

Unknown: 00:37:58

you also through this whole journey, and I bet you can

Unknown: 00:38:01

attest to this as well as it's kind of a lonely journey.

Unknown: 00:38:05

Because there's really it's not a shareable kind of thing,

Unknown: 00:38:08

because it's your own personal experiences that you're really

Unknown: 00:38:11

letting go of and moving through. So I actually really

Unknown: 00:38:15

enjoy my alone time a lot and my husband knows when I start to

Unknown: 00:38:18

get a little antsy because I haven't had enough alone time. I

Unknown: 00:38:22

cherished my boundary of alone time and I will not sacrifice

Unknown: 00:38:26

that for anything at this point in time in my life.

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:29

Does that look like the same thing to you every

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:33

day? Or does it kind of vary when you need it in the day do

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:35

you like to set aside a morning I'd have a ritual

Unknown: 00:38:41

my ever will once I take my son to summer camp

Unknown: 00:38:44

because he's at summer camp right now I come home I get my

Unknown: 00:38:47

workout in I do like my tasks around the house, but I blast my

Unknown: 00:38:50

meditation, music, or whatever I want to listen to that morning

Unknown: 00:38:54

as I'm doing all my tasks in the house. So I still am like, flick

Unknown: 00:38:58

my moving meditation in a way and then I'll go outside and

Unknown: 00:39:02

I'll listen to the birds and ground myself. But I really need

Unknown: 00:39:05

that like two hours in the morning to just have like align

Unknown: 00:39:09

with myself connect with myself build myself up for the day and

Unknown: 00:39:12

then we can go full bore but also I don't get that all the

Unknown: 00:39:17

time because we're on vacation or we're home for a week you

Unknown: 00:39:20

know, so I try to get in the mornings but I can't I have to

Unknown: 00:39:24

be we have to be flexible and we have to allow things to happen.

Unknown: 00:39:28

So when I get it I take it yes

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:32

I sometimes have this struggle between I

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:35

want to work out but then if I come down in the morning and

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:39

light some candles and take out either some inspirational

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:43

reading or something to to get me into that vibration that

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:46

feels so aligned. Oh, and then if I start doing some work

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:51

early, I'll be like when do I fit in the workout and I feel

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:53

like it this season of my life. It's a dance between the two and

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:57

I know that I can I can do both. but it's I think we just have to

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:01

see what works best and be willing to go with the flow. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:06

I always hear too, that it's good to just have the practices.

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:10

So in the times where you can't access the practices, you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:15

your cup is fuller.

Unknown: 00:40:18

Yeah, I just did an Instagram story about it

Unknown: 00:40:21

actually today, because I love to work out. But it hasn't been

Unknown: 00:40:25

a possibility. And so I also have to be easy with myself. And

Unknown: 00:40:29

that won't work out. And I think, if we hold so hard to

Unknown: 00:40:34

like, I have to work out every day. And if I don't work out,

Unknown: 00:40:36

it's done. I love it. I think you're just hurting yourself

Unknown: 00:40:39

just as much as not working out. So you really I really just talk

Unknown: 00:40:42

about, like, Be easy on yourself, if you can make it

Unknown: 00:40:45

happen, make it happen. But if you can't, then we just let it

Unknown: 00:40:48

go. It just needs to be let go. It doesn't need to be held.

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:51

I appreciate you saying that. Because and

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:54

with with everything, right? It's, it's for me. But for

Maureen Spielman: 00:40:59

everything, it's holding it gently. It's desiring, naming

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:04

what's for us, but also just holding it gently. Because

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:07

that's not our kind of souls journey doesn't care how many

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:11

times we work out a week or, I mean, we have to realize that

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:14

some of those are just our humaneness that puts in all like

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:18

the things on our to do list and the shoulds. And yes, they're

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:21

the things that make us feel good. And keep us healthy. But

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:25

we can put some to the side because we have to, I think be

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:29

aware of our conditioning around it all too.

Unknown: 00:41:34

I always say just be easy in time to yourself,

Unknown: 00:41:36

because nothing is perfect. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:39

It's it's a simple. I feel like the word

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:43

pure message. It's Is it a practice for you like when

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:50

you've gone through the years? To hone that voice of support

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:54

and the loving kindness to yourself where more and more and

Maureen Spielman: 00:41:59

more the old voices of any sort of judgment or shame are crowded

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:03

out. And they're replaced by this loving kindness?

Unknown: 00:42:07

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But if I could rub it off on every

Unknown: 00:42:12

woman, I would, because it is just sometimes I want to shake

Unknown: 00:42:16

my friends and be like, it's gonna be okay, everything's

Unknown: 00:42:19

fine. Just let it go, you know? And I'm like, Yeah, are you

Unknown: 00:42:22

beating your head against the wall over that topic? It doesn't

Unknown: 00:42:25

matter at the end of the day. So that's I always yes, be easy and

Unknown: 00:42:30

kind to yourself is the biggest thing I could give to any woman.

Unknown: 00:42:33

Yeah, do that. So.

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:34

So Jenna, for you now, when you're sort of

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:38

channeling these messages for humankind? What are you working

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:45

as a coach now? Or how does that? Is it showing up in the

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:49

work that you do with other people? Or is it sort of a life

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:54

mantra that you're just bringing out to the masses.

Unknown: 00:42:58

So I did intuitive channeling for two years, and I

Unknown: 00:43:04

enjoyed it. But it is a lot of energy. And it is a large

Unknown: 00:43:09

responsibility. And I just kind of, you know, fizzled out in the

Unknown: 00:43:14

most perfect way, I think possible. And then I created my

Unknown: 00:43:17

positive intention prayer cards that I sell on Etsy. And then I

Unknown: 00:43:22

did a big trauma release last week that I was not expecting.

Unknown: 00:43:27

And God has put on my heart so deeply to write a book about

Unknown: 00:43:31

releasing that generational trauma. So I'm currently in the

Unknown: 00:43:35

midst of writing a book about it. So I'm really excited. I'm

Unknown: 00:43:38

hoping to have it done by the end of the year. That is my

Unknown: 00:43:40

personal goal and holding myself to, but yeah, I don't work with

Unknown: 00:43:45

I just I do Instagram messages and stories. And yeah, you know,

Unknown: 00:43:49

I help in any way I can.

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:52

It's gorgeous to put that light out into the

Maureen Spielman: 00:43:53

world. With your Okay, two questions. Is did the universe

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:01

deliver you the trauma release? Or was it something that you

Maureen Spielman: 00:44:03

were actively working on? Or how did that occur?

Unknown: 00:44:07

Oh, man, I have been feeling out of my skin itchy

Unknown: 00:44:12

uncomfortable for a couple of months now. And I just could not

Unknown: 00:44:16

pinpoint why I was feeling so uncomfortable in my own skin.

Unknown: 00:44:22

And I finally after I had lunch with a friend, and whatever she

Unknown: 00:44:28

told me at lunch just triggered everything. The light bulbs went

Unknown: 00:44:32

off. And I finally understood why I was feeling this weight

Unknown: 00:44:36

and this mind stuff that was just running through me

Unknown: 00:44:40

constantly. And so it was it was a surprise but not a surprise

Unknown: 00:44:45

all at the same time that it unfolded the way it did. But I'm

Unknown: 00:44:49

so relieved that it has unfolded and it is released because I

Unknown: 00:44:54

have never felt lighter and happier than I have in years.

Unknown: 00:44:59

It's like Like going to the chiropractor and not knowing how

Unknown: 00:45:02

much pain you were in, and then he fixes you and you're like,

Unknown: 00:45:04

Wow, I feel amazing what was been. So okay.

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:08

Yeah. Well, I'm so excited about that,

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:12

because I'm thinking, right now, you know, when I first started

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:16

recording the podcast, I kind of had like four or five out. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:20

right now in a perfectly fine way, I'm right on top of my

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:23

schedule. And I feel like, I feel like this is meant to be

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:27

aired next week, because I also have just had a release, like in

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:33

the last I'm gonna say, even 24 hours where I was prepping for

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:37

it over the weekend, unbeknownst to me by some work I was doing.

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:41

But I feel like what the solstice but it's curious,

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:46

you're saying that because you're saying it. I'm feeling

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:49

it. I have another woman Misha who was on the podcast just a

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:52

few weeks ago, who was just I saw her on Instagram also doing

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:56

some sort of live about something she's experiencing. So

Maureen Spielman: 00:45:59

there's right now there's a really powerful energy going on,

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:03

that I think is great to amplify out into the world as well. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:08

then

Unknown: 00:46:11

I think the world's at its highest frequency it's ever

Unknown: 00:46:14

been at currently, which is a huge release frequency and let

Unknown: 00:46:19

go up and bring to the surface frequency. So I'm like, Let's go

Unknown: 00:46:22

people I am like, Bring it on. At this point. When a challenge

Unknown: 00:46:26

comes my way. I am excited because I'm just ready to move

Unknown: 00:46:30

through it and move up and move up and move up. So when people

Unknown: 00:46:33

have challenges, like it's fine, let's overcome it. How do we

Unknown: 00:46:36

move through it? Let's go. Well, we're on fast forward. But most

Unknown: 00:46:41

people,

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:42

it's good to speak to a lot of people though,

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:44

because your vibration is very high. I'm laughing at myself

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:47

right now, because I'm sitting, I always record in the basement

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:49

because I've got carpet down here and it's decent background,

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:52

but I brought my legs up into like a crisscross applesauce.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:56

And I never sit like this for a podcast. And it's kind of like,

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:00

I pulled my legs up. And I'm leaning in like a child. So I

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:03

feel like in a good way, you know what I mean? Like in a

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:05

childlike, playful way. And then the other thing before we

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:09

finishes, so the prayer cards are on Etsy? And did you feel

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:13

like that was like a divine download to or how did that come

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:18

to you and like when you created it.

Unknown: 00:47:21

That was honestly one of the most beautiful moments

Unknown: 00:47:24

I've ever experienced. I I had been doing real estate and my I

Unknown: 00:47:28

was unhappy. And so my husband's like, take a few months off,

Unknown: 00:47:31

just figure out what you want to do next. And we'll we'll move

Unknown: 00:47:34

from there. So I sat every day on my office floor after my son

Unknown: 00:47:38

went to preschool and I would just pray and meditate and

Unknown: 00:47:40

journal and cry. And then the prayer cards came to me. And

Unknown: 00:47:44

then COVID hit and then I was just looking for something to

Unknown: 00:47:47

keep my head in the positive space and not in the down space.

Unknown: 00:47:51

And I couldn't find a prayer that was just really gonna like

Unknown: 00:47:54

me there. And so with COVID ended, I was able to write these

Unknown: 00:47:57

positive intention prayer cards, and I love them because I found

Unknown: 00:48:01

that some of the Bible verse apps were very negative. And the

Unknown: 00:48:04

words they use were very, like dark and sticky to me. And so

Unknown: 00:48:08

all of the prayer cards are written with like positive

Unknown: 00:48:10

intentions, positive words, how do we move forward? What's the

Unknown: 00:48:14

light at the end of the tunnel? And so it was, God desperately

Unknown: 00:48:19

put that one on my heart because it's just something that I love.

Unknown: 00:48:21

And it's been, the response has been beautiful, which is just a

Unknown: 00:48:24

bonus to have. And then for this trauma to happen, and to have

Unknown: 00:48:30

that put on my heart again. I'm like, Okay, now I know what's

Unknown: 00:48:33

next. Because I had been waiting. I've been talking to my

Unknown: 00:48:35

PR girl. I'm like, I don't know, my next move. I don't know, my

Unknown: 00:48:37

next move. And then to move through that trauma and really

Unknown: 00:48:40

see it. I was like, Oh, that's my next move. No, I know. So. So

Unknown: 00:48:45

it always is shown to us just not in the timeframe we like.

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:47

I know. And if we if we can remember, like if

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:50

we can remember. Oh, surrender while you're in it. I can't

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:54

wait. I can't wait to discover their prayer cards. I always put

Maureen Spielman: 00:48:57

all the links to where people can find you in the show notes.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:00

But in case they don't look your Instagram is Genovese spiritual.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:06

Oh, Jenna be spiritual. Okay, so I'll put that in the bottom and

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:09

then your Etsy page. Same with the same Yeah. Okay, so it's

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:14

gonna be spiritual. So I will put in your website, all your

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:19

good stuff and any links that you want to share with people.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:22

But

Unknown: 00:49:23

then if you see your address, I'll send you some

Unknown: 00:49:26

cards. A wonderful,

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:28

I can't wait to see the cards. I'm so excited

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:30

for them. Yeah, but I thank you so much. It's it's just divine

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:35

timing that you and I got to have this conversation today.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:38

I'm so happy to know you and share your message with this

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:42

audience. And yeah, any parting words from you that you want to

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:46

add?

Unknown: 00:49:48

Well, thank you for making me not feel alone in my

Unknown: 00:49:50

journey. I appreciate that. Always. I think that we can all

Unknown: 00:49:54

feel very lonely. So I appreciate your love and

Unknown: 00:49:56

support.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:58

Yeah, yeah, right back out. shoe. Okay,

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:00

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